The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

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  • Kstat
    Rebound King
    • Jan 2004
    • 34207

    Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

    Originally posted by Pacergeek
    Not a waste. You take the best player available at 1. Always. No exceptions, certainly not for Dion Waiters. Just my opinion that Oladipo is better than Bennett. If you want to wait until the season starts, that's totally understandable.
    He's better defensively. Scoring the ball there is no comparison.

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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    • Pacergeek
      Member
      • Apr 2009
      • 9034

      Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

      Originally posted by Since86
      Yeah, because Portland passed on Durant because of James Jones and Travis Outlaw.
      Portland picked Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan because they needed a center. Wasn't referring to the 07 draft
      Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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      • Kstat
        Rebound King
        • Jan 2004
        • 34207

        Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

        Originally posted by Pacergeek
        Portland picked Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan because they needed a center. Wasn't referring to the 07 draft
        Houston passed on Jordan for a center too.

        The hindsight lesson is don't pass up future hall of famers for average players.

        It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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        Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
        NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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        • Doddage
          AIDIW
          • Oct 2006
          • 3779

          Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

          Originally posted by Since86
          They got him so they could try and move him to the 3, a position they need to fill.
          Is that why they have no plans of playing him there?

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          • PacersHomer
            • Jul 2009
            • 9464

            Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

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            • Since86
              Member
              • Dec 2004
              • 27818

              Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

              Originally posted by Doddage
              Is that why they have no plans of playing him there?
              Those last two words in the title are pretty important, don't ya think?

              Mike Brown: Anthony Bennett is 'strictly a 4,' for now
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              • Doddage
                AIDIW
                • Oct 2006
                • 3779

                Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                Originally posted by Since86
                Those last two words in the title are pretty important, don't ya think?
                You said the reason they drafted Bennett was to move him to the 3. If you read the whole thing, it's pretty clear that Cleveland envisions him as Kevin Love-type of 4.
                Last edited by Doddage; 10-23-2013, 01:43 PM.

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                • Since86
                  Member
                  • Dec 2004
                  • 27818

                  Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                  Originally posted by Doddage
                  You said the reason they drafted Bennett was to move him to the 3. If you read the whole thing, it's pretty clear that Cleveland envisions him as Kevin Love-type of 4 "for now."
                  Fixed.
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                  • Doddage
                    AIDIW
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 3779

                    Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                    Originally posted by Since86
                    Fixed.
                    Brown says that Bennett could possibly be used as a small forward at some point in the future, but that would happen "way, way, way down the road."
                    If it's only a possibility that he'll play the 3 in the distant future, meaning it may never even happen at all, it doesn't sound like the main reason they drafted him was to play the 3. Which makes sense, because Bennett is absolutely a 4 in today's league.

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                    • Since86
                      Member
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 27818

                      Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                      When he was drafted, it was because they thought he could play both the 3 and the 4. Brown's quote about it not happening yet, or even at all indicates that they were looking at that direction. Whether or not it actually happens doesn't invalidate the point that he was selected with the thought that he could.

                      You're not saying anything that actually refutes what I said. I can dig up article after article talking about them looking at him as a tweener, if I really need to.

                      EDIT: If it wasn't a question whether or not he'd play the 3, then there would be no reason to tell people you're not going to. The simple fact that it had to be answered shows that was a possibility.
                      Last edited by Since86; 10-23-2013, 03:27 PM.
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                      • Doddage
                        AIDIW
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 3779

                        Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                        You haven't provided any support to your claim that he was picked with the intention of moving him to the 3. That was your original point and the one being argued. Brown saying it's possible in the future doesn't necessarily indicate the Cavs were looking in that direction, but rather more so addresses speculation amongst the public/media regarding what position Bennett will be played at.

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                        • Since86
                          Member
                          • Dec 2004
                          • 27818

                          Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                          Yeah, you're right. Brown saying they have no intentions of playing him at the 3 "for now" means they aren't even considering the possibility. I don't know how I screwed that up. We can move along now.
                          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                          • Major Cold
                            Gone to Twitter. Done he
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 11491

                            Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                            I am pretty sure they drafted Bennett because he was the best player available. And just because Oladipo is playing well in the preseason does not mean that he was the best player 3 years from now.

                            Bennett has the potential to be an All-Star and by the time Tristan can he will be up for a contract. One that the Cavs will not pay if they are getting Lebron.

                            Kyrie/Waiters/Lebron/Bennett could be a starting lineup on this team.

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                            • LG33
                              Member
                              • Jul 2006
                              • 21070

                              Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                              Here's another Pacers article from NBA.com, this one talking about our defense and bench production last season. This piece is part of the website's One Team, One Stat series and is written by John Schuhmann.
                              Last edited by LG33; 10-23-2013, 04:59 PM.

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                              • pacer4ever
                                Member
                                • Aug 2010
                                • 17172

                                Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                                Originally posted by Major Cold
                                I am pretty sure they drafted Bennett because he was the best player available. And just because Oladipo is playing well in the preseason does not mean that he was the best player 3 years from now.

                                Bennett has the potential to be an All-Star and by the time Tristan can he will be up for a contract. One that the Cavs will not pay if they are getting Lebron.

                                Kyrie/Waiters/Lebron/Bennett could be a starting lineup on this team.
                                You left out a key point. He was the bpa in their opinion and that is why he was the right pick for them. Judging a players future prognosis on is numbers as a rookie is insane. Vic is my pick for rookie of the year but only based on the opportunity he will get. If I was drafting for the Cavs I would of taken Ben McLemore because he was the bpa imo. But Ben wouldn't be the best player this year he needs time. You are drafting a guy in the top 5 for the next 10 years not the rookie year when the team is still going to be bad.

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