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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

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Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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Off season poll of reflection: What place does PD play in your life?

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  • spazzxb
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    I pretty much always know what threads are trending here and ,especially due to tapatalk, check in a lot. sometimes threads or conversations hook me in and sometimes I lurk. Mostly I spend 1-5 minutes here a few times a day unless something hooks me in. If I am bored I take a glance along with msnbc, CNN, espn, colts.com, youtube, my flipboard app. During the season (or if something interesting is happening,),its near the top of list. I also get notifications for threads I post in. Most of my friends don't care about sports so It does fill a void missing from my real life.

    Currently its helping me kill time on a roadtrip with my parents.

    If the site shutdown I would mostly loose a source of entertainment. I have no real life relationships here, but I would certainly miss this place and the people here. I do have little characters associated with quite a few posters here but it would be horribly unfair to apply them to a real person.

    Sent from my HTC6435LVW using Tapatalk 2

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  • Ace E.Anderson
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    Re: Off season poll of reflection: What place does PD play in your life?

    Originally posted by RamBo_Lamar View Post
    This is a fun place to come and I check in often. Have learned lots from the many very knowledgeable posters
    who are much more in tune with the basketball world than I am. PD is at the top of my favorites list for sports
    websites and by far the one I visit the most. It is the only one I post on as well. Would have to say that
    reading Peck's post-game write-ups has become as much of a ritual as any other Pacers related ritual I might
    have. I would have to say though that I try to keep things in perspective, and that anything sports related is
    an entertaining diversion in my life that takes a back seat to more important priorities such as health, family,
    household responsibilities, financial responsibilities, and survival in general. In other words I really like coming
    here and participating in the Pacers online community, but would not say it is one of the most vital or
    important things in my life.
    It's funny that I check Pecks post game write ups the day after a game way before I check out the star's "coverage".

    The best thing about PD is being able to discuss everything pacers with fans that are as knowledgable and devoted as I am. I randomly found this site one day in college study table, and have been addicted ever since. Aside from Seth I could never pinpoint any of the fellow posters out of a lineup; but I enjoy every one here. I check PD multiple time daily, and it's one of the few things that can get me riled up that doesn't have to do with real-life everyday happenings.

    The best thing about PD is the fact that it truly can make you forget about everything else for a little while. After every big win; there's nowhere else I'd rather be than online sharing the good times with everyone

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  • Nuntius
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    Re: Off season poll of reflection: What place does PD play in your life?

    PD is an integral part of my Internet routine. I tend to log into PD the moment I open the browser. It's a very nice place to talk about basketball and we even have an Anime thread

    I don't really rank my interests so I'm not sure that I can vote but I can say that all of my interests make me into who I am so PD has played a role in it as well.

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  • dal9
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    Re: Off season poll of reflection: What place does PD play in your life?

    check it almost every day, often before 5 PM, but I could stop whenever I wanted

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  • speakout4
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    Re: Off season poll of reflection: What place does PD play in your life?

    PD is also about friendship just a different type of friendship.

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  • RamBo_Lamar
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    Re: Off season poll of reflection: What place does PD play in your life?

    This is a fun place to come and I check in often. Have learned lots from the many very knowledgeable posters
    who are much more in tune with the basketball world than I am. PD is at the top of my favorites list for sports
    websites and by far the one I visit the most. It is the only one I post on as well. Would have to say that
    reading Peck's post-game write-ups has become as much of a ritual as any other Pacers related ritual I might
    have. I would have to say though that I try to keep things in perspective, and that anything sports related is
    an entertaining diversion in my life that takes a back seat to more important priorities such as health, family,
    household responsibilities, financial responsibilities, and survival in general. In other words I really like coming
    here and participating in the Pacers online community, but would not say it is one of the most vital or
    important things in my life.
    Last edited by RamBo_Lamar; 08-09-2013, 09:16 AM.

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  • MagicRat
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    Re: Off season poll of reflection: What place does PD play in your life?

    Thank you, Pacersdigestdotcom, for being a place where I can chat with Pacers fans and post stupid pictures. #ThankYouNotes

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  • Coopdog23
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    Re: Off season poll of reflection: What place does PD play in your life?

    Originally posted by immortality View Post
    It check it quite often daily, it's a great place to discuss Basketball with fellow fans. When the offseason starts and free agency dies down, I do become disappointed as there is little to talk about basketball or the Pacers in general.
    No games to talk about, but we could talk prospects for the upcoming draft

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  • SycamoreKen
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    Re: Off season poll of reflection: What place does PD play in your life?

    I joined the RATS board the summer of '97 after I got married and with that came internet access at my in-laws. I've been around ever since and have had the opportunity to meet Seth and kester on different occasions. I met Travmil before PD when we worked at the same place I met my wife. As we get ready to move to Houston, it will be interesting to contribute from another NBA city, but the Rockets will not gain my allegiance like the Spurs did.

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  • immortality
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    Re: Off season poll of reflection: What place does PD play in your life?

    It check it quite often daily, it's a great place to discuss Basketball with fellow fans. When the offseason starts and free agency dies down, I do become disappointed as there is little to talk about basketball or the Pacers in general.

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  • Naptown_Seth
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    Re: Off season poll of reflection: What place does PD play in your life?

    Originally posted by Peck View Post
    That was a glorious day wasn't it. The only thing better was the day Jim (Satan) O'Brien was fired.
    I honestly have some slight worries that I took way too much enjoyment from that moment. I don't like to celebrate the misfortune of others, but then again when they are making everything miserable for everyone else (and I'm not talking W-L even) then I guess it makes sense.

    Still JOB being fired is in my top 10 Pacers moments, next to things like 8 in 8.9, being at game 5 of the Finals, Smits miracle, game 4 vs Bird's Celtics in MSA...I think there might only be 2 other non-game moments in my top 20 list. The trade for Detlef (he was my favorite non-Pacer at the time) and when they got Jax back from Denver.

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  • Naptown_Seth
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    Re: Off season poll of reflection: What place does PD play in your life?

    I voted right behind family and faith, but only if you count "faith in Pacers" as the faith part. I'm more devoted to the team than PD, naturally.

    It's wife, friends, Pacers, and it's a really close race between 2nd and 3rd. Also a lot of my friends are actually "Pacers friends", people I know from following the team.

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  • Brad8888
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    Re: Off season poll of reflection: What place does PD play in your life?

    Much like having a love interest who only returns that love sporadically, I hate that I love PD so much.

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  • Peck
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    Re: Off season poll of reflection: What place does PD play in your life?

    Originally posted by BornReady View Post
    Hm. I want to clarify my response (I was in the large majority)
    I've never met anybody on PD but I really enjoy it and the interactions I've had here have been very positive. I will be completely honest PD has also gotten me through some pretty hard times - the one that sticks out most to me was after a particularly clumsy basketball play (in real life) I ruptured my achilles tendon and proceeded to have complications with the anesthetics during surgery, making it one of the longest weekends I've had in a loooong time. I came home to a very nice long thread about Troy Murphy being traded for Darren Collison, which really helped pad my pain and hurt feelings.
    I love you guys and I love PD!
    That was a glorious day wasn't it. The only thing better was the day Jim (Satan) O'Brien was fired.

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  • BornReady
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    Re: Off season poll of reflection: What place does PD play in your life?

    Hm. I want to clarify my response (I was in the large majority)
    I've never met anybody on PD but I really enjoy it and the interactions I've had here have been very positive. I will be completely honest PD has also gotten me through some pretty hard times - the one that sticks out most to me was after a particularly clumsy basketball play (in real life) I ruptured my achilles tendon and proceeded to have complications with the anesthetics during surgery, making it one of the longest weekends I've had in a loooong time. I came home to a very nice long thread about Troy Murphy being traded for Darren Collison, which really helped pad my pain and hurt feelings.
    I love you guys and I love PD!

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