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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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2013 Orlando Summer League! Pacers finish 3rd. SHill, Plumlee all league 2nd team.

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  • Re: Orlando Summer League! Pacers next game: 1 pm Monday on NBATV.

    Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
    How did Moultrie look?
    He scored well and grabbed boards. He didn't impact the game in any other way but he was more than decent.
    Originally posted by IrishPacer
    Empty vessels make the most noise.

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    • Re: Orlando Summer League! Pacers next game: 1 pm Monday on NBATV.

      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
      I think some of you are over-hyping Miles or not seeing his mistakes, but he definitely looks improved to me.
      Hey, I have been a vocal Miles supporter from the time he was drafted so chances are that I'm over-hyping him indeed
      Originally posted by IrishPacer
      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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      • Re: Orlando Summer League! Pacers next game: 1 pm Monday on NBATV.

        Originally posted by CableKC View Post
        Someone will have to tell me.....but based off of the way that Vogel uses his "4s", they have to have some range outside of the paint....whether it is a mid-range jumpshot, 3pt shot or able to drive to the hoop. I don't get the sense that he has that skillset....at least not yet. Everything mentioned here so far seems to suggest that he's just an active Center with some post-skills.

        At most, I can see Plumlee played at the 5 spot and Mahinmi ( who has a somewhat decent mid-range jumpt shot ) to the PF spot.....but I'm not sure if that is a good idea for the long-term....but based off of an "emergency / as needed" basis.

        I simply think that Plumlee is considered Mahinmi's long-term replacement.
        For what its worth the Pacers website has listed Miles as a Forward. So chances are that they indeed see him as a PF.

        As far as a game is concerned he does have the quickness to drive to the basket against Centers. Will it translate at the PF? I have no idea.
        Originally posted by IrishPacer
        Empty vessels make the most noise.

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        • Re: Orlando Summer League! Pacers next game: 1 pm Monday on NBATV.

          Solomon Hill had a commitment at 31, which is why the Pacers shocked many and took him at 24. Making more sense after seeing/talking to him.
          Bill Ingram on Twitter



          Not surprised he would of been the perfect fit for the Cavs he is really what they need. They needed a ball mover who defends. They have so many ball dominate players Hill made so much sense. They had to get a poor mans version in Carrick Felix.

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          • Re: Orlando Summer League! Pacers next game: 1 pm Monday on NBATV.

            Originally posted by pacer4ever
            Hoopsworld did an interview with Larry. Might be better in it's own thread some nuggets in there. Bird says we will never pay the tax.


            http://www.hoopsworld.com/larry-bird...ics-in-the-nba
            I think you should make a thread for it. It's a good read.

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            • Re: Orlando Summer League! Pacers next game: 1 pm Monday on NBATV.

              Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
              Bill Ingram on Twitter



              Not surprised he would of been the perfect fit for the Cavs he is really what they need. They needed a ball mover who defends. They have so many ball dominate players Hill made so much sense. They had to get a poor mans version in Carrick Felix.
              I see. It makes a lot of sense then. It shows why we couldn't trade down to the second round to draft him. And it does explain the Pritchard comment as well
              Originally posted by IrishPacer
              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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              • Re: Orlando Summer League! Pacers next game: 1 pm Monday on NBATV.

                Originally posted by BornReady View Post
                Some people just need to pimp themselves by putting others down. (referring to the dude you responded to lol)
                Is trying to argue that 23 y/o players don't improve pimping youself while putting others down? Just trying to find the consistency in there.
                Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                • Re: Orlando Summer League! Pacers next game: 1 pm Monday on NBATV.

                  Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                  Bill Ingram on Twitter



                  Not surprised he would of been the perfect fit for the Cavs he is really what they need. They needed a ball mover who defends. They have so many ball dominate players Hill made so much sense. They had to get a poor mans version in Carrick Felix.
                  You mean there are details out there that us regular folks don't know about, which put context with certain decisions? Interesting....
                  Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                  • Re: Orlando Summer League! Pacers next game: 1 pm Monday on NBATV.

                    Originally posted by BornReady View Post
                    Some people just need to pimp themselves by putting others down. (referring to the dude you responded to lol)

                    Yes, I hope his improvements carry into the regular season. I'll gladly admit that I was furious with the Plumlee pick and I'll also gladly admit it if he ends up being a solid player in the NBA. Right now its still too early to tell, but his improvements have been extraordinarily promising.
                    The people that are taking a slight poke by my sarcasm are the people that knew without a doubt that a rookie that played less than 60 minutes has no room to improve. People actually stated that he has no abilities on the court. He somehow tricked coach K into giving him a scholarship, and Larry Bird picking him was a huge practical joke on the organization.

                    I never said that he was going to be anything, but it was foolish to say some of the things that were said about Plums, No?

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                    • Re: Orlando Summer League! Pacers next game: 1 pm Monday on NBATV.

                      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                      You mean there are details out there that us regular folks don't know about, which put context with certain decisions? Interesting....
                      I bet what happen was KP told his agent they were planning to trade out into the 2nd to get him, and Hill's agent said if you want him you better take him at #23. I didn't think it was a reach on draft night, but even better now knowing he would of been gone. I also don't see how trading out of #23 into the 30s would of got us any assets really the quality of player talent wise wasn't much different IMO.

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                      • Re: Orlando Summer League! Pacers next game: 1 pm Monday on NBATV.

                        As far as Plumblee being drafted too high, there were knocks on him last year and pretty much all of them could be seen in summer league, I have dvr'd the games and will watch them later tonight, glad he is putting up good numbers again like last year, but now hopefully his fundamentals are improved, which is an area that he lacked big time last year, and would get taken advantage of against NBA talent.
                        Why so SERIOUS

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                        • Re: Orlando Summer League! Pacers next game: 1 pm Monday on NBATV.

                          Sounds like Hill played a solid game. Hicks mentioned it on Twitter, but I'd like to reiterate that I am pretty glad that the best players in summer league are the best players who are actually on our team.

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                          • Re: Orlando Summer League! Pacers next game: 1 pm Monday on NBATV.

                            I'm so happy for Ian Clark he played well yesterday, and great start today. He was my favorite player to watch in college basketball last year. I really have no clue why. I just really grew fond of his game. Really good two way college player. I hope he can overcome his athletic issues. I don't think he can, but I will be rooting like crazy for him such a good basketball player.

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                            • Re: Orlando Summer League! Pacers next game: 1 pm Monday on NBATV.

                              I couldn't watch the game earlier today and I'm trying to watch it on NBA.com (I bought the summer league package) but for some reason the Pacers game isn't archived? Is anyone else having this problem?

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                              • Re: Orlando Summer League! Pacers next game: 1 pm Monday on NBATV.

                                Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
                                Sounds like Hill played a solid game. Hicks mentioned it on Twitter, but I'd like to reiterate that I am pretty glad that the best players in summer league are the best players who are actually on our team.
                                I think he had a great game, 22 points 9 rebounds 4 assists on 7-11 shooting

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