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    It struck me as I was walking out of the arena area and into the front concourse and there was just wave after wave after wave of gold walking towards the escalators, doors and behind the stage set up for TNT that all of those long lonely nights sitting in the fieldhouse watching this team when we weren’t so good was worth it.

    If you weren’t there I can’t tell you what it was like, there is just no possible way to describe it to you. When the group met up after the game there just really wasn’t much to say. Honestly this was just a night of high fives and taking it in. The crowd was still loud out in the concourse and while there were some comments about there being a lot of casual bandwagon fans there we all just acknowledged that we were all there during the dark days.

    We tried to get an Indi Ana chant going and for awhile I thought it was working but ultimately I think it was just us yelling at ourselves. However after we were doing that for a short time I noticed that even if nobody else was getting anything out of our chant the Miami Heat fans that were huddled in a corner were sure enjoying our cadence.

    Ok this post is probably not going to be for the basketball aficionados as it’s going to admittedly be to emotional.

    So my next part of this post is going to be a new segment that I would like to just entitle “Suck it LeBron”.

    Oh boo ho you fouled out on a questionable foul? Well welcome to the world the rest of us have to live in when our players have to play you. This is for all the times that one of our guys had to go to the bench in the 2nd quarter with their 3rd foul when you would drive the lane bump into them and throw your head back as though you had been uppercut by Piston Honda. I saw your moving screen; guess what it was a moving screen. There was no question to it; the only question is by elite NBA media people and sycophants of the NBA itself who actually believe that star players should be held to a different standard.

    I watched Jeff Foster get called for a moving screen for years doing that very same thing, it was wrong when he did it and it is wrong when LeBron did it as well. It’s a foul, nothing more nothing less. It shouldn’t matter who, when or where.

    Did Lance sell the foul? Maybe but I’m willing to believe that LeBron’s 280lb frame probably had more of a chance of moving Lance’s 240lb frame than the last game when the massive titan that is D.J. Augustine somehow rocketed LeBron off of his feet with the power of Hercules. In other words, yes I think you moved Lance and no not for one moment do I think that Augustine was able to move you even an inch let alone knock you over.

    My next section I would like to introduce tonight is just simply entitled “Burn in Hell Shane Battier”.

    You’ve taken being a douche bag to an entirely new level tonight with something I have never ever seen in all of my years of watching the game. This guy was able to draw a foul, I think on Stephenson but I was so mad I don’t remember who, by simply sitting down on a screen. Honest to God he didn’t fall backwards, didn’t even do his normal flop prior trying to pretend he is fouled. No, this guy just sat down on the floor and was able to draw a foul that way. I’m not sure if the ref wasn’t so baffled by this that he didn’t just blow the whistle out of confusion, but either way it was just another in the long line of cheap crappy fouls this asshat has drawn. He’s also a dirty dirty player.

    Speaking refs. again we were treated to the ever wonderful Joey Crawford. I say that fully in sarcasm mode. He is horrible. Just because you make calls emphatically and take no guff from anyone does not mean you are correct. We had a decent lead when he absolutely blew that 24 second shot clock violation of Hibbert’s miss and Tyler scored on the put back. This was a reviewable play btw, that has already been established so they should have gone to the video replay to see that Roy’s shot clearly hit the rim. However I am not sure why I would believe they would call that seeing as how every single replay they showed in the fieldhouse was that the ball went off of Ray Allen’s hand and not David West leg but somehow after 20 some angles showing them the opposite of this they still called it off of West.

    I don’t care if he was the ref. of a game where LeBron fouled out of, he is unprofessional and I can not wait for him to retire.

    Okay enough about them let’s talk about what really matters, us.

    The Pacers as a group were in attack mode most of the night and obviously as we’ve said several times already this season this team is just maturing as they go along because honestly after that last game it could have caused them to be dejected and more fearful on the court. But to a man after the game they were swearing up and down that they were not dejected and that each of them felt they could win this game.

    Frank had a good game plan, although he was killing me when we lost that 11 point lead by not calling a time out but ultimately it worked out.

    Most surprisingly though we got solid bench contribution from Sam Young. In fact Sam had a very productive night and gave good solid defense whenever he was on LeBron. His six rebounds can’t be overlooked either, they were huge. As was his running to the rescue of the botched fast break that he ended up with a dunk on. This was all important considering that Paul George spent most of the night in foul trouble.

    Speaking of Paul, well let’s just say for his sake the Pacers won this game as well. I kept looking to see if maybe Gerald Green hadn’t slipped in to do that inbounds pass when Paul through it right to LeBron.

    But again we won so all is good.

    Let’s do some grades:

    Paul George: B

    Not really sure what went on here tonight. I know he often guards LeBron so that takes it out of him on the offensive end but tonight Lance took James on defensively a lot but somehow Paul still never attacked. I appreciate him wanting to be an overall player but for the love of God if you are going to drive to the rack go with the intention of scoring, not passing. Passing should be an option but he just get’s to careless when he tries to pass. I think for us to get a game in Miami Paul is going to have to have a 20+ point game again. BTW, he didn’t have a bad game but he had a couple of really bad turnovers. But he did counter that with a really nice and 1 towards the end of the game.

    David West: A

    I believe 7 of his rebounds came in the second half and for our team to succeed we have to control the glass and West did some work on that behalf tonight. Hit some big shots in the 4th quarter as well. Just another night at the office for him.

    Roy Hibbert: A+

    If by some miracle we advance past the Heat into the finals the question for me is do we wait and retire his number after the season or when he actually retires. Guys he is just a monster down low and I’ll say it now that in my lifetime I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Pacers center have the type of series that Roy has had vs. the Heat. When I sit and think that we traded away the ghost of Jermaine O’Neal for Roy Hibbert all I can do is laugh. Anybody think that Toronto would like a do over on that?

    George Hill: A

    Set the tone for the game right off of the bat. In fact I think Paul George should be required to listen to speeches by George Hill all day long telling him how you have to be aggressive on the offensive end when you are in the conference finals. He grabbed a huge loose ball in a scrum and got the time out late in the 4th quarter which was huge, but nothing and I mean nothing was bigger than him going 9-10 from the line. You have got to make them pay for fouling you.

    Lance Stephenson: A+

    He didn’t understand that he was supposed to genuflect before the King. In fact didn’t even bother to care that he was supposed to be afraid of the King. Look I’ll be the first person to admit it; if he was on the opposition I would probably hate the guy. But he’s our idiot dammit so while at times he makes us want to pull out our own hair there are times that he can just turn the game around for us and when he is on honestly he is one of the most unstoppable players in the NBA due to his ability to handle the ball. He always makes me cringe when he shoots a jumper but you can’t deny that rainbow he threw in at the end of the 3rd was a thing of beauty.

    Sam Young: A+

    Remember bench players are often graded on expectations and frankly I expect almost nothing from anybody on our bench. So when he comes in with George in foul trouble and doesn’t automatically turn the ball over and foul someone I consider it a victory. However tonight it was beyond that, he wasn’t only not hurting the team he actually played…what that word, oh yea…good. That is as rare as platinum for a bench player on our team.

    Tyler Hansbrough: C

    Very odd game for him he didn’t do anything bad but he didn’t do a whole lot of anything really stat wise. He did get to the line and hit 3 of 4 which is nice. He also had a weird tip out/rebound that he didn’t get credit for but he one hand swatted it away from Anderson so hard that I think he may have broken a wing or something.

    D.J.Augustin: C

    Not sure exactly what it is he did to deserve the amount of minutes he got, other than Paul’s foul trouble. I mean dude didn’t even attempt a shot in almost 20 of play. I guess his ball handling is what they like against the Heat so that may explain it, not sure really. But he didn’t hurt anything so again we’re all good.

    Ian Mahinmi: C+

    Two fouls and a turn over in about a 2 min. time span had me wanting to yell curse words but he settled down after than and managed to contribute in a small way.

    Again, it was a great win and it was a great atmosphere to be in. Pacers basketball is not only back it may be at a point where as time goes on we are better than ever.

    Last edited by BillS; 05-29-2013, 09:54 AM. Reason: Couldn't take it any more - had to fix the greengrocer's apostrophe


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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    Re: Odd Thought's: Game 4 Round 3 NBA playoffs...

    Originally posted by Peck View Post
    So my next part of this post is going to be a new segment that I would like to just entitle “Suck it LeBron”.

    Oh boo ho you fouled out on a questionable foul? Well welcome to the world the rest of us have to live in when our players have to play you. This is for all the times that one of our guys had to go to the bench in the 2nd quarter with their 3rd foul when you would drive the lane bump into them and throw your head back as though you had been uppercut by Piston Honda. I saw your moving screen; guess what it was a moving screen. There was no question to it; the only question is by elite NBA media people and sycophants of the NBA itself who actually believe that star players should be held to a different standard.
    I made the silly mistake of going on the Heat's RealGM board for a while to revel in the chaos.

    The Heat and their fans are truly some of the most out of touch individuals on the planet. The fact that for ONE game out of the last billion LeBron was actually held to the same rules and standard that other teams player are held to is enough to literally cause Heat fans to swear off NBA basketball whether the Heat win or lose this series. I am dead serious. There is a multiple page thread about a "Die hard fan" who is promising to never watch NBA basketball again after this series (win or lose) because... Well, I don't know why. "On Principle" I guess!?!? I mean, certainly there is no possible set of circumstances on the planet that could ACTUALLY lead to LeBron James fouling out of a crucial playoff game. "THE FIX IS IN GUYS!!! Stern wants the Pacers in the finals!!!!11!!11!!! There is nothing left to live for... Goodbye, cruel NBA world."

    Give me a freaking break.

    It just astounds me to no end the amount of entitlement and self-righteousness that surrounds this team and its fanbase. It is truly revolting, and I mean this literally. I see the way the Heat play, the way the players and their fans react and I genuinely am disgusted. I feel bile creep up my throat and I just want to vomit.

    I give everyone on this board permission to murder me in cold blood if I ever get to the point as a Pacers fan where I am as entitled, pampered, whiny and 'sore-losery' as the Miami Heat fanbase.

    Good grief.

    Just accept the fact that a talented TEAM of players overcame your messiah and is threatening to throw you off your perch.

    All this being said, we still have a long way to go. We need to steal another one in Miami (preferably Thursday) and protect home court in game 6.

    But I have supreme faith in this team. We've not backed down to this team, and we won't start now. The pressure is fully on Miami. Their 'deification' depends on them looking as though they cannot bleed, and we've opened a nice little cut on their cheek.

    "The King" and his merry band of douchey followers are none too pleased.

    That's just too damn bad. We're coming for you.


    There... I feel ever so slightly better now

    Last edited by TMJ31; 05-29-2013, 05:59 AM.

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      Re: Odd Thought's: Game 4 Round 3 NBA playoffs...

      This team does not back down from anyone. We have proved to have some serious mettle, guys. This team has answered every single Heat run except from game 3. And even in game 3 they tried to fight back.

      Just think about it. This team lost game 1 in a dramatic fashion. We are not a good road team and we lost a big chance to win at the home of the most dominant team this season. The team could be down on themselves. They could think that they stood no other chance to win on the road. But they didn't. They came out firing in game 2. But the Heat responded. They made their runs and took the lead again. This has to make a young team afraid, right? Well, it didn't. We answered their runs. We won game 2.

      We lost game 3 in a bad way. We got run off of our very own home court in which we were undefeated prior to the game. This has to be disheartening, right? It wasn't to the team. We came out firing in game 4 as well. The Heat responded again. They came back into the game. They even got a 6 point lead at a point. But the team fought once again. We took the lead again and we controlled the game in the 4th quarter (16 - 4 rebounding differential in the 4th). We won game 4 and now it's a 3 game series with Miami having the HCA.

      This team has proved that they have guts, guys. They can withstand whatever you throw at them. Never forget this.

      The next time that someone says that this team is "mentally soft" or that they have quit, I won't even need to post anything to convince them. The answer can be found in this series.
      Originally posted by IrishPacer
      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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        Re: Odd Thought's: Game 4 Round 3 NBA playoffs...

        Here is to hoping we finally learned from the previous games in these playoffs and come out focused and attacking in game 5 - gotta take it to the Heat - YES WE CAN!

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          Re: Odd Thought's: Game 4 Round 3 NBA playoffs...

          We taking our talents to south beach!! Those who say the heat would cruise past the pacers...come again?

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            Re: Odd Thought's: Game 4 Round 3 NBA playoffs...

            Originally posted by TMJ31 View Post
            I made the silly mistake of going on the Heat's RealGM board for a while to revel in the chaos.

            The Heat and their fans are truly some of the most out of touch individuals on the planet. The fact that for ONE game out of the last billion LeBron was actually held to the same rules and standard that other teams player are held to is enough to literally cause Heat fans to swear off NBA basketball whether the Heat win or lose this series. I am dead serious. There is a multiple page thread about a "Die hard fan" who is promising to never watch NBA basketball again after this series (win or lose) because... Well, I don't know why. "On Principle" I guess!?!? I mean, certainly there is no possible set of circumstances on the planet that could ACTUALLY lead to LeBron James fouling out of a crucial playoff game. "THE FIX IS IN GUYS!!! Stern wants the Pacers in the finals!!!!11!!11!!! There is nothing left to live for... Goodbye, cruel NBA world."

            Give me a freaking break.

            It just astounds me to no end the amount of entitlement and self-righteousness that surrounds this team and its fanbase. It is truly revolting, and I mean this literally. I see the way the Heat play, the way the players and their fans react and I genuinely am disgusted. I feel bile creep up my throat and I just want to vomit.

            I give everyone on this board permission to murder me in cold blood if I ever get to the point as a Pacers fan where I am as entitled, pampered, whiny and 'sore-losery' as the Miami Heat fanbase.

            Good grief.

            Just accept the fact that a talented TEAM of players overcame your messiah and is threatening to throw you off your perch.

            All this being said, we still have a long way to go. We need to steal another one in Miami (preferably Thursday) and protect home court in game 6.

            But I have supreme faith in this team. We've not backed down to this team, and we won't start now. The pressure is fully on Miami. Their 'deification' depends on them looking as though they cannot bleed, and we've opened a nice little cut on their cheek.

            "The King" and his merry band of douchey followers are none too pleased.

            That's just too damn bad. We're coming for you.


            There... I feel ever so slightly better now




            I LOVE IT!!!

            Great post; thank you for making my day!

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              Re: Odd Thought's: Game 4 Round 3 NBA playoffs...

              At the time I questioned it, but I'm glad Frank never took a timeout when MIA took the lead. He MADE our young team play through the adversity and go get the win.

              I mentioned this in the post game thread but the two guys that received large extensions in the off season are coming up big in this series and in the playoffs period--always a great thing to see.

              Sam freakin Young played some important mins. If he can come in and rebound and not mess up the offensive or defensive flow, it's gotta be a plus right?

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                Re: Odd Thought's: Game 4 Round 3 NBA playoffs...

                Lance guarding Lebron changed the game and with Roy and West dominating inside won us the game
                Smothered Chicken!

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                  Re: Odd Thought's: Game 4 Round 3 NBA playoffs...

                  Originally posted by Peck View Post
                  It struck me as I was walking out of the arena area and into the front concourse and there was just wave after wave after wave of gold walking towards the escalators, doors and behind the stage set up for TNT that all of those long lonely nights sitting in the fieldhouse watching this team when we weren’t so good was worth it.

                  If you weren’t there I can’t tell you what it was like, there is just no possible way to describe it to you. When the group met up after the game there just really wasn’t much to say. Honestly this was just a night of high fives and taking it in. The crowd was still loud out in the concourse and while there were some comments about there being a lot of casual bandwagon fans there we all just acknowledged that we were all there during the dark days.

                  We tried to get an Indi Ana chant going and for awhile I thought it was working but ultimately I think it was just us yelling at ourselves. However after we were doing that for a short time I noticed that even if nobody else was getting anything out of our chant the Miami Heat fans that were huddled in a corner were sure enjoying our cadence.
                  Thanks for the descriptive post friend, brings a lot of joy to those who can't/haven't made it to these playoffs. I've been to at least a portion of every playoff series since the Hawks in 87 but not this year. Had some pain/illness during the Hawks series this year and a nice surgery during the New Yawk games. Removal of a tumor, appendix, and some bad bowel and I'm good to go though the incision is a little tender. I promise you this.... we make the finals you'll have to put snipers on the roof of BLF to keep me out.

                  Of course since the Pacers are pulling this off maybe I should stay away for good luck.
                  Last edited by RWB; 05-29-2013, 08:41 AM.
                  You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                  • #10
                    Re: Odd Thought's: Game 4 Round 3 NBA playoffs...

                    We are 2.3 seconds away from being up 3-1. THAT should bother the Heat fans,.
                    Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Odd Thought's: Game 4 Round 3 NBA playoffs...

                      Originally posted by RWB View Post
                      Thanks for the descriptive post friend, brings a lot of joy to those who can't/haven't made it to these playoffs. I've been to at least a portion of every playoff series since the Hawks in 87 but not this year. Had some pain/illness during the Hawks series this year and a nice surgery during the New Yawk games. Removal of a tumor, appendix, and some bad bowel and I'm good to go though the incision is a little tender. I promise you this.... we make the finals you'll have to put snipers on the roof of BLF to keep me out.

                      Of course since the Pacers are pulling this off maybe I should stay away for good luck.
                      Glad to hear your feeling better. At least you have some entertainment while you heal. Just be careful not to strain too hard every time Shane Battier flops!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Odd Thought's: Game 4 Round 3 NBA playoffs...

                        One of the ESPN commentators started out saying Paul George's Indiana Pacers.
                        It's time for someone to say Roy Hibbert's Indiana Pacers. This team has became Roy's team.
                        Roy has been the heart and soul of this team since the all star break.
                        Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Odd Thought's: Game 4 Round 3 NBA playoffs...

                          http://mediacentral.nba.com/media/me...Situations.pdf

                          According to this the refs can only look at replay on a shot clock situation in the last two minutes of the 4th quarter and in overtime. You have to click on the link to see it - it is number 11 on the list.

                          And Joey Crawford has been the lead ref the last two times James has fouled out. last night and in last year's ECF against the Celtics.

                          I think we have learned, if we didn't know before that Lance is stronger than PG.

                          All 5 of our starters are important each for different reasons, but it seems to be that last night the way George Hill started the game was a big key.
                          Last edited by Unclebuck; 05-29-2013, 09:19 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Odd Thought's: Game 4 Round 3 NBA playoffs...

                            Great write-up Peck! As a fan, I really am starting to hate those crybabies and their cheating. We will continue to make this a good series, but I'm not sold yet on the fact that we can beat these punks. Gotta credit the team, we were down 60-54 and I felt like Miami was taking over control steadily after our explosive start. But the guys responded, I was loving it! We were able to turn the pace back in our favor, except for the start of the 4th with all those James' post ups.

                            I loved the part of the game in the 3rd when George was being guarded by Lebron and we got him the ball at the wing on the catch and he was able to attack. I thought that was a good adjustment, rather than having George at the top of the key coming of the P&R and trying to pass it. I always get scared Miami will pick those passes of and gets out on the break. And even if we get the ball to West at the elbow, it just seems that with our spacing Roy can't get into position for the offensive rebound on that play.

                            Hopefully we can keep up our level of play, they seem to get tired at the end of games, so let's force them to work for it the entire game. If we do that, I'm confident we have a good possibility of taking them out!
                            Trying to enjoy every Pacers game as if it is the last!

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                            • #15
                              Re: Odd Thought's: Game 4 Round 3 NBA playoffs...

                              So, I am listening to Coach Nick's post game show. Two very interesting things he said about our offense.

                              We run the Roy Hibbert high PnR 16 times in this game. We got 16 points out of it (and 3 turnovers).

                              In the second half, we run a Roy Hibbert post up 6 times. We got 12 points out of it. That's just amazing.
                              Originally posted by IrishPacer
                              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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