The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
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Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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Hill Talks to Wells About Fans

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  • Hill Talks to Wells About Fans

    “It sucks. It was 70 (Lakers fans) – 30 (Pacers fans) out there. These are the same people that wants autographs after the game. We’re out there in the community. We’re doing our job, doing what we’re supposed to do on and off the court. Something has to change. I tip my hat to this team. We’ve been trouble free. Been out in the community shaking hands, we’re winning. It shouldn’t feel like an away game, especially with an important like this. Tonight, that’s what it felt like.”

    “They always say your fans are your sixth man and you feed off that energy. Energy is down and we turn the ball over and we’re hearing cheers. We’re missing shots and we’re hearing cheers. That kind of brings your head down cause you know you’re at home. It shouldn’t be like that. Now we see how it is. We have to move forward, don’t worry about. Stay focus on what’s in this locker room and don’t worry about the rest.”

    “(We’re) not a team that’s in the bottom in the East. We’re one of the top three teams in the East. We’re winning the Central Division and it should show. Right now it’s not and it’s been all season long where it’s not showing and I don’t think there’s nothing else we can do as an organization and as players. Now it’s up to the community.”

  • #2
    Re: Hill Talks to Wells About Fans

    It wasnt 70-30 and im tired of George Hill saying "I tip my hat", "You gotta tip your hat" every single time he speaks. He did play a damn good game tonight though, one of the few.
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    • #3
      Re: Hill Talks to Wells About Fans

      Am I the only one with a problem with this? Shut up already. It's one thing for fans to complain, but there's no need for this. Like attacking the fans and whining like this is the best way to get more people interested in supporting the team. Shut up and play. Like they've never played a game on the road. Really disappointed in Hill for this.


      • #4
        Re: Hill Talks to Wells About Fans

        Completely understandable from the team's point of view, but I think it's a lot to overcome from the standpoint of a more established Colts tradition/success than when Pacers' initial successful run started, mediocrity of the post brawl era, post brawl hangover's impact on many local's perception of the NBA, and the reality (IMO) that, unlike the Colts, the Pacers cannot get a top - flight star relative to their league situation - No Wayne, no Peyton, no Luck (potential to be a star). I realize it's not a precise comparison; there are significant differences between being an elite player in the two sports/leagues, but in terms of many people's perception it's the same in the end.

        Rightly or not, for the Pacers to win over more fans PG is going to have to take his game to another level as his career progresses to approach elite status. Then, the team has to PROVE they are a legit title contender. Yes, as GH says, they are good per standing and regular season wins, but I love the Pacers and I still don't believe they've arrived as a legit threat to the title. And I won't until they show me they have on the court.

        Another important factor in fan turn out, there are so many home games in the NBA and people do have lives. It's a lot easier to get to 50% to 100% of the Colts 8 regular season home games mostly on a weekend afternoon.
        I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

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        • #5
          Re: Hill Talks to Wells About Fans

          I empathize. But cash your 8 million dollar checks and win ball games. It's not that complicated. Boohoo George. I like him well enough as a player, but the guy comes off as a bit entitled.


          • #6
            Re: Hill Talks to Wells About Fans

            I can't really blame casual fans for not showing up when your teams biggest accomplishment is beating the Howardless Magic and when you lack a "big name" player, media talk about.
            Let them beat the Celtics, Knicks, Bulls first and make a final.

            I can't really blame the players either for losing a game against a team that even with Bryant on the bench still has 2 players on the court with supertalent, something the Pacers can only dream of. Paul George perhaps, but that dream can only come true in the future. Now? Too soon.

            To lure casual fans, the Pacers have to be in the news, but without a good playoff run and a supertalent, that's just very hard to do in our small market city.

            And no, it isn't the media's fault either. They will give us attention when we deserve it.


            • #7
              Re: Hill Talks to Wells About Fans

              It's simple. WIN.

              Had the Pacers won this game, the Laker fans wouldn't have been so loud, the Pacers fans would have been louder and Georgie wouldn't have anything to whine about.

              Correct me where I'm wrong on this.


              • #8
                Re: Hill Talks to Wells About Fans

                I honestly think Hill still holds a grudge that his only actual "big" school Indiana offer was from IUPUI, regardless of whatever take care of grandpa story you hear (because Bloomington and Lafayette are such long drives, let alone flights). I honestly think George Hill to whine.


                • #9
                  Re: Hill Talks to Wells About Fans

                  I think GH has a right to say something/anything more than any other player on the team. I mean, he went to IUPUI, watched the Pacers, etc.

                  If anybody on the team is going to say anything, at least it's him, I suppose.


                  • #10
                    Re: Hill Talks to Wells About Fans

                    I don't think Hill's attitude is going to help matters. He needs to talk with Stephen Jackson, Jamaal Tinsley and that MWP guy that beat us last night. He also needs to talk to Troy Murphy, MDJ and Fred Jones. There's history there. A lot of really bad history. While players, coaches and hard-core fans recover pretty quickly from that, many others do not. A full decade went on where business people had no interest in bringing in their clients because being a Pacer fan became unpopular. You don't fix that in even just a few years.

                    It will take more than a good regular season record. It will take a rivalry and contention. Sorry, but that has yet to happen.


                    • #11
                      Re: Hill Talks to Wells About Fans

                      You know what sucks George? Having a starting point guard who gives a **** about what's going on in the stands.

                      Do your job, worry about what's happening on the court, and stop being a whiny *****.


                      • #12
                        Re: Hill Talks to Wells About Fans

                        I think it's pretty simple... George Hill never wanted to return to Indy in the first place and his feelings are coming back out like when he was first traded here.
                        You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....


                        • #13
                          Re: Hill Talks to Wells About Fans

                          Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
                          Another important factor in fan turn out, there are so many home games in the NBA and people do have lives. It's a lot easier to get to 50% to 100% of the Colts 8 regular season home games mostly on a weekend afternoon.
                          Agreed. Many games are during the work week. It's simply not convenient compared to a Sunday Colts game.

                          I think the Pacers are wasting their breath and their time whining about attendance. Cash the mega checks and if you want to give back to the community, do it. If you're giving is in expectation of getting something back, it's not giving at all.


                          • #14
                            Re: Hill Talks to Wells About Fans

                            I don't blame him. It's gotta be tough to play without a home court advantage.


                            • #15
                              Re: Hill Talks to Wells About Fans

                              Originally posted by RWB View Post
                              I think it's pretty simple... George Hill never wanted to return to Indy in the first place and his feelings are coming back out like when he was first traded here.
                              That's too bad. I recall the alleged statements. People hated him so much here in Indy they had huge banners of his images above the city streets on the IUPUI campus. I'm still waiting for mine...