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Re: Pacers Heat Postgame thread
Gotta be honest but damn did wade shut down PG tonight.
Gotta be honest but damn did wade shut down PG tonight.
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Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and
/ laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"
"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good?"
In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.
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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.
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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:
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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.
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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.
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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.
A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.
Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.
Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.
Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and
/ laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*""Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good?
"In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.
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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.
The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.
The right places to do so are:
A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.
B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.
If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.
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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.
When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:
A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.
B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.
To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!
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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.
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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.
An example:
If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star
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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.
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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.
It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.
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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.
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Re: Pacers Heat Postgame thread
I really agree with this. If Roy is on Haslem and Birdman then he can sag way off and force them to make jumpers. West has better lateral speed and hands for dribble disruption which makes him better when coming out to defend a big on the outside.Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
Hill catching foul trouble also costs you size against Chalmers which hurts.
It doesn't take much. It reminds me of the Magic game a few years ago where Roy got Howard in foul trouble early. Once that happened the Pacers just rolled and the Magic could never recover. Some people saw it as a sign that Roy was Dwight's equal (or close), but the reality was that a couple of friendly calls helped a ton. It's 50/50 plays that a ref may or may not call that can really alter the tone of a game. That's not even blaming the refs, that's saying that its close calls that could fairly go either way depending on how they see them.
Ultimately as many of us have noted, there were some strategic items that came at the Pacers early that they seemed unprepared for, or certainly reacted poorly to them. That has happened several times this year, but far more often it hasn't which makes it tough for me to worry too much about. They will lose playoff games, they might get blown out in a playoff game or two, but they will also hand out some pain of their own.
Getting to the ECF will be tough, winning the ECF will be tougher, but both are still definitely achievable and that's all I ask for from my team.
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We got a beat down fair and square. The Heat are the champs and currently the best team in the NBA. Just deal with it.Originally posted by Midcoasted View PostComment
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Originally posted by IndyHoya View Post
I didn't propose any trade, yes his reasons are pretty good to you (of course) but that doesn't mean that somebody can't disagree with them.
Him saying that the X + Y players from the Bucks is a better package than whatever the Pacers have is his opinion, just because according to his "scouting"(not that good by the way) is telling him that what the Bucks gave to Orlando was a great deal doesn't mean that somebody can't have an opinion.@WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!
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OK, what package of ours would be better? Are you saying Plumlee/DJ/1st would have gotten Reddick (haven't checked salaries)?Originally posted by vnzla81 View PostBillS
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...Comment
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Re: Pacers Heat Postgame thread
His FG% is up but his true offense has not returned. His scoring is still feeding more off of other threats than his own offense is feeding others. They have worked the ball to him at the rim and his touch has been better, including more dunks at the rim. But rebound putbacks or scrum based close looks are not an offense.Originally posted by MAStamper View Post
Right now Roy is hitting maybe 2-3 set low post FGs, typically hooks. He's still missing as many or more from the same 3-4 ft range. And he's not being doubled as hard. Seems like he sees some late doubles as he turns but not as much early doubling.
The good news is that he has his FG% hitting 50% on a regular basis now. The bad news is he still isn't back to being "everything feeds off Roy" good. That's still David West and Paul George.
I think we see them at times try to shift back to leaning on Roy but it doesn't really work still. I'm not upset about it because he had gotten to a point where he wasn't even scoring the scraps worth a damn. Baby steps. He's getting more scores to go in close, it does seem to have his confidence up, and hopefully he can be pulled up even further by the time the playoffs start.
Adding Roy as a true #1-2 offensive threat would be the same as getting a healthy Granger back. With how West, Paul and Hill play on most nights, Roy getting back to his better self would be massive. But it's not there yet.Comment
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Originally posted by BillS View Post
I have no idea Bills, my point is that the Bucks send a bunch of scrubs to Orlando plus a pick for Redick, maybe one of those scrubs becomes a good player? I guess time will tell.
The Bucks had a similar scrubs package(without the pick) ready to send it to Atlanta for Josh Smith by the way, according to reports Atlanta backed down in the last minute.@WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!Comment
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Re: Pacers Heat Postgame thread
PG shut down PG in this game. Bad shot selection, couldn't get to the line, sloppy turnovers, etc.Originally posted by HibbyGo View PostComment
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Re: Pacers Heat Postgame thread
I really wouldn't consider the officiating last night as "fair." But even if it was more fair, last night they still would have beat us. If I took your advice then I should just give up on this season because we have no chance at beating the best team since it isn't even arguable that they are the best team. Previous season success and the best record means you are the best team right? I guess it isn't even arguable that the Spurs, OKC, and gasp, the Pacers have a chance to prove they are the better team this year. Oh wait, the Pacers beat them by double digits two games this year and won the season series. So if the Heat are the best team, then how could the lowly Pacers beat them in the season series?Originally posted by HibbyGo View Post
I think we have a closet Miami fan on our hands here. So if the Pacers do beat the Heat in a playoff series will you come back and crown the Pacers the best team in the NBA?Comment
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Not only that, but DJ and OJ hit shots last night. They went 6-12 (all threes) for 22 points. That's Redick. So that wasn't the problem.Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
Ray Allen made some shots, far better than his first two games, but still only went 3-7 for 11 points, so you really didn't get beat up by bench guards hitting shots either. And it's not like Redick is a shutdown defender anyway.
Or was the trade Paul for Redick, because that might have helped I suppose. Sheesh, of all the times to complain about Redick I gotta hear it on a night when what he does isn't even what was missing?!? Did you guys watch the game? Bench shooting was one of 2 effective things last night along with West in the post. Even Roy's scoring was less dependable as a primary focus than the bench 3PA attack.
But oh, if only we'd made that trade that Orlando would never make in a million years.
I love differing opinions, but I do prefer them to come from this planet. The STARTERS LOST THE GAME. They have horrible +/- for the game because when they were in that's when the Pacers got their asses kicked. So any option for fixing last night that doesn't involve changing the starters doesn't help. Period.
And I'm not even changing the starters because last night was a blip, a perfect storm that ended up only being 14 points. But if you want to overreact then can we have it be "Trade Lance and Roy for Gasol" or something that might have changed the outcome last night at least?Comment
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But MY point is that people keep claiming the Pacers had whole bunches of options, yet no one has shown anything the Pacers had that one of those teams would have been interested in getting. To have a "feeling" that it could have been done is fine, but to continually use that it SHOULD have been done as a foundational assumption in pretty much every argument about failures in the wake of Danny's setbacks (for instance) requires a little more backing than just saying "package X was a bunch of scrubs, we had something better" without coming up with the something better.Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
I really am serious about this, because I want to know what deal was out there with players other teams expressed interest in, that we should have been willing to give up, that we clearly failed to take advantage of. So far, we get sidetracked on the first round pick issue and it ends up being as if we could have gotten someone for JUST that pick - we know that is false, what else is out there that the FO failed to observe?
Again, it is PERFECTLY FINE to just have an opinion that the possibilities were out there. Without something more substantial than just an opinion, though, you kind of have to at least acknowledge that people with a different opinion are coming from just as good a basis - it all too often seems like any opposition is unworthy of consideration because this single opinion is being used as if it were a fact.BillS
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...Comment
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No, your just bitter and PO'd because of a crap loss to a team we really have come to hate. I understand your emotion but I don't read HibbyGo's response the way you do. He's just not emotional about it. It happened, it does indicate that the Heat are still the champs to be beat and the Pacers have a lot of work to do before the ECF, if they get there that is.Originally posted by Midcoasted View Post
There are still 2 months. You don't win a title in March. We might look back on this and say "man, do you remember when Miami was on that roll and no one thought they could be beat". We might say it after they lose to Boston in round 2. Who knows.
But right now every non-emotional oddsmaker who only wants to make sure they make money is putting Miami as a monster favorite to win the East.
But if it makes you feel better, I too celebrate your F*&*&* those *(#^$ in their smarmy little *(#& till #($* come out the other end. In other words, Miami sir, I challenge your honor and would slap you with my glove would it not become soaked in lotion, spray tan and Drakkar. Also steroids.Comment
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Originally posted by BillS View Post
Bills I don't think you can use the same excuse any time the Pacers don't make a deal, I remember reading this same comments in the off season and the previous season and the previous one and the previous one...@WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!Comment
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I'm willing to change if someone can show me what was out there to be found.Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
For one, we are in a vacuum regarding activity, and I don't understand why it is somehow "right" to assume no result means no attempts, but "wrong" to assume that there were attempts but nothing worked out. How is that an "excuse" if no one can show it wasn't true?
For another, if there are no teams interested in players we could get rid of without detriment, what is there to look for or try to do? We don't have cap space to get a player for only a draft pick. We don't have cap space to take on an albatross contract in order to also bring in a wanted player. We don't have highly sought-after players who are redundant to our current play. We're not somehow going to twist someone's arm into taking Plumlee, DJ, and Green for something useful (including the backup point guard who would be needed to replace DJ no matter what you think of him). Again, why is it an "excuse" if the ONLY reasoning anyone can give against it is that it "might" have happened a different way?
All too often, the definition of "excuse" seems to be "a reason I don't like".BillS
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...Comment
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Not to be difficult here but wouldn't this imply that the package really isn't just scrubs? I mean why would Atlanta even consider a move like this if it were just for scrub players?Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13Comment
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