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Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia freedom

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  • #31
    Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia freedom

    Originally posted by BPump33 View Post
    OJ got two rebounds in a row right in front of Roy. Most guards would step out of the way and let the big man collect those. I'm sure Roy let him know that.
    There is not reason for Roy to get all mad at him.

    Please don't act like that doesn't happen all the time with guards giving way to a big guy for rebounds. I really don't think it was a big deal.
    Maybe this happens(I'm not sure) but this is the 1st time I see somebody yelling at another player for stealing his rebounds, not even Troy Murphy would do that.



    Note that I'm just trying to see if somebody else feels the same way, so please don't come up with overreactions, thanks.
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    • #32
      Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia freedom

      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
      Good to see PG go right down to the block when Nick Young got matched up on him again. Can't wait to see more of it.
      Absolutely. Imagine a situation where 4 out of our 5 starters were proficient on the block, and could take it to the weakest link on the opposing team. Most teams aren't like the Pacers, who are full of good defenders. Everybody else has somebody they're trying to hide.
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      • #33
        Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia freedom

        Bravo...
        Just read with the sunshine beating through my windshield and the temperature rising.
        This...gave me a moment.
        Thanks Peck
        Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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        • #34
          Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia freedom

          Yep. You have to be that guy.

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          • #35
            Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia freedom

            Originally posted by MAStamper View Post
            Yep. You have to be that guy.
            Assuming that Hibbert did get upset...then what vnzla81 brought up is a valid point as it could be a point of contention among Players in the Locker room.

            But honestly, I never understood why anyone would get upset at a Teammate stealing a rebound...I guess cuz Players are concerned about padding his stats?
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            • #36
              Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia freedom

              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
              There is not reason for Roy to get all mad at him.



              Maybe this happens(I'm not sure) but this is the 1st time I see somebody yelling at another player for stealing his rebounds, not even Troy Murphy would do that.



              Note that I'm just trying to see if somebody else feels the same way, so please don't come up with overreactions, thanks.
              Didn't see the game, so I cannot state for sure, but I would imagine there's a big difference between a small letting the big get the higher percentage (safer) rebound down in his area and the rookie hearing about it and Troy out on the wing yanking rebounds from Dante/Dunleavy/etc's hands.
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              • #37
                Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia freedom

                What exactly did Hibbert say, or this just all speculation because he was yelling something after the rebound? Was there a mic on him?

                I mean, could it have been, "Aww, ******, I HAD that one, man!" instead of being actually yelling AT a teammate? Or is that not in keeping with desperately trying to find something to make this game some kind of negative for Roy?
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                • #38
                  Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia freedom

                  Originally posted by BillS View Post
                  What exactly did Hibbert say, or this just all speculation because he was yelling something after the rebound? Was there a mic on him?

                  I mean, could it have been, "Aww, ******, I HAD that one, man!" instead of being actually yelling AT a teammate? Or is that not in keeping with desperately trying to find something to make this game some kind of negative for Roy?
                  Nobody is making anything up calm down...................... yes you could hear him yelling at OJ for "stealing" two of his rebounds, he was shaking his head and swinging his arms, Roy was mad at OJ for doing that.
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                  • #39
                    Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia freedom

                    Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                    Absolutely. Imagine a situation where 4 out of our 5 starters were proficient on the block, and could take it to the weakest link on the opposing team. Most teams aren't like the Pacers, who are full of good defenders. Everybody else has somebody they're trying to hide.
                    That's been the basic plan for the Pacers from the beginning. Pacers are a Power-Post team that has the ability to take all their guys into the post. Adding Danny to that mix only makes it stronger. The only way a team with out a superstar can survive and thrive is to not have a weakness offensively, that the other team can cheat off of, and not have a weakness defensively, that the other team can exploit. If the other team has a weak link, they do not want to face Roy, David, Danny, Paul and Hill. Because that weak link is going to get a chance to play every time down the court.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia freedom

                      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                      Nobody is making anything up calm down...................... yes you could hear him yelling at OJ for "stealing" two of his rebounds, he was shaking his head and swinging his arms, Roy was mad at OJ for doing that.
                      You're quoting Hibbert, so you heard this? Were you at the game?

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                      • #41
                        Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia freedom

                        Originally posted by Alabama-Redneck View Post
                        It is a really good post, by the way, and I agree with 99.99% of everything you said. I just wish I was closer so as to be able to attend some games but I'm not and I'm glad I'm here because your weather sucks. I was in Indy 2 weeks ago...4 degrees and -17 wind chill. I got back to Alabama as soon as possible. FYI, I had the boat out and was fishing Wednesday afternoon. 65 degrees !!! Have a good day.

                        Yeah I got the hell out of there and watched the game yesterday from Orlando. I refuse to come back till someone turns up the thermostat. Or Monday, whichever comes first.





                        For the 15-30 year old fans, let me say that when you here the 45-60 year old crowd talking about this being one of the finest Pacers rosters ever there is something to that. I know Peck feels this way and Boyle tweeted something along those lines the other day. If you wished you'd been able to see the 94 team or the 98 team, this is what they were like. A likeable group of players, each doing his "thing" in a complimentary way to the rest of the roster. Roy isn't Smits but he is Smits in terms of game impact. More to the point, West + Roy gives you a very similar total package to Dale + Rik. Massive scoring threat from your bigs, huge rim defense. West isn't quite Rik either, he defends better I think. Neither quite rebounds like Dale. But the 2 man package is similar, as are the attitudes.

                        Hill isn't Jax, not the same at all, but he's a better defender by a mile and a better scorer. PG is better than Reggie and that's the truth. Reggie was clutch and one of the purest shooters ever but his career had less defensive impact than one year of PG.

                        Danny can come back and easily fill a Rose level and with even more team spirit I think (Rose needed more coaching IMO). And with Lance coming on and working so well with the group, it feels like they might be a little stronger at the 6-8 spots. Young might not be McKey, but length might be the only reason why. Ian is not Antonio, but he could get close, and we have Tyler to supplement that anyway.



                        It's not the same team but it's the same ideal and a very similar level of talent if you add Danny to it. Like those other teams we've been able to see this one grow after being built in a proper, fundamental way. Piece by piece, no specific homerun moment like a top 5 pick or a $17m FA. Walsh used to spend to keep teams intact and this team shows you why that's a good idea. They look to be getting better everyday. If it's possible top keep this core in place for 3 more years after this one I think it would be a great idea.


                        The Pacers window opened officially last year. This is what a team that can make a Finals run looks like. There's no point in waiting for something else to happen. It's happening right now. These games are the memories you will talk about at PD parties 10-15 years from now. I know because they look like the ones I remember from 15-20 years ago.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia freedom

                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                          Nobody is making anything up calm down...................... yes you could hear him yelling at OJ for "stealing" two of his rebounds, he was shaking his head and swinging his arms, Roy was mad at OJ for doing that.
                          Do you recall when in the game this happened?

                          Someone could probably rewatch the game on DVR to see what happened.

                          I'm guessing that it could be just a matter of interpretation based off of what someone sees....but Hibbert getting mad at someone for grabbing a rebound seems out of character. The main reason that I bring this up is that it's not like OJ is the only guard that can pull down rebounds.....if anything, there are many instance where PG, Lance and even GH would pull down a rebound over Hibbert.....this wouldn't be the first time that something like this has happened.
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                          • #43
                            Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia freedom

                            Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                            Do you recall when in the game this happened?

                            Someone could probably rewatch the game on DVR to see what happened.

                            I'm guessing that it could be just a matter of interpretation based off of what someone sees....but Hibbert getting mad at someone for grabbing a rebound seems out of character. The main reason that I bring this up is that it's not like OJ is the only guard that can pull down rebounds.....if anything, there are many instance where PG, Lance and even GH would pull down a rebound over Hibbert.....this wouldn't be the first time that something like this has happened.
                            I don't think is that hard to find it, OJ didn't play that long to begging with, it was in the 1st half for sure, if you go back and read the comments on the game thread more than one person saw it so is not like I'm making some s*** up or I want Hibbert to look bad and I hate him.(not directed at you)
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                            • #44
                              Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia freedom

                              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                              Nobody is making anything up calm down...................... yes you could hear him yelling at OJ for "stealing" two of his rebounds, he was shaking his head and swinging his arms, Roy was mad at OJ for doing that.
                              To me if I was in Roy's shoes I would have been mad too, not for getting a rebound 'stolen' away, but for a smaller teammate needlessly cutting under me... Cutting under a larger teammate like that is just asking for an accidental injury to happen. Orlando could have bumped Roy's knee, or Roy could have accidently caught OJ's head with an elbow.

                              Roy easily had those rebounds, so there was no need to take a chance like that for OJ... although I love that OJ was going at 100% and trying his best, just saying I imagine that's way Roy was frustrated... but really we as fans have no clue, and we all are just speculating, so there's no need to be reading to deep into this.
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                              • #45
                                Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia freedom

                                All this talk of stealing rebounds makes me think back to when I would always redirect the ball out to the wings when I wouldn't be able to get a solid grasp on the ball just to clear it out and get some space. Does that could as stealing? I'd pretty much just slap it out to a teammate near the 3-point line if I had bad positioning to grab it.

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