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  • Trader Joe
    DIET COKE!
    • Jan 2006
    • 47076

    #1

    Mmm mmm this is a tasty dish

    So I'm coming here to officially eat crow on Lance.

    I didn't think he could mature, I didn't think he could grow, and I didn't think he would learn. I was wrong. Look the thing about Lance and I is that I have watched him since he was in High School when he was a strong IU lean before the whole Sampson mess went down. I saw a kid with tremendous wing talent to make individually amazing plays, but his biggest issue was that he forced too much. Every amazing play was followed by two amazingly bone headed plays that weren't just bad decisions but also showed a lack of skill. Lance is exciting always has been, and now that he is being used as this wing offensive initiator he is playing the role that I thought would give him the best shot to play. Lance I still believe is not a "PG" he is not the guy you want getting your offense set up, but he is the guy you want slicing up the defense a lot of the time once you have your offense set up. Hill and Lance blend very well because of this and I think Lance and DJ can blend very well because of this as well.

    Lance had his high school days, and then the IU event happened and Lance was back on the market for a lot of college teams, he ended up landing at Cincinatti where he was good, but never really dominant yet again. And what dinged me off a little more about him was here was a guy who's two schools were either a Kelvin Sampson led IU program (uh, oh) and Cincinatti.

    Then we had some of the character events his first year, and well it was downhill from there with me and him. In the end, the NBA is a business and I viewed Lance as a huge unknown in the Pacers quest to shed their "thug" label among the casual Indianapolis fan, but then a few things happened and Lance began to change both on the court and IMO probably off of it (I now see Lance at Mo's after a lot of game and he seems to be very approachable and if anything he seems shy, just wants to eat his dinner and go). We signed David West of course, and then we also had the event where Lance visited Area55 and this made it onto PD and I began to wonder, maybe this kid will get it.

    Well he has, and now he is an absolute joy to watch. He is a prototype NBA microwave style shooting guard and he plays damn good defense to boot. I love his trash talking. I'm glad we were blessed with a coach in Vogel who IMO always knew that Lance's future would be on the wing.

    Seth and I talked last night at half time, the contract decision for the Pacers is probably not Danny vs. West, it is probably Lance vs. Danny where do these two end up coming in and where does OJ end up growing to. I don't know what kind of deal Lance and Danny may get next, but I do know that if we have to part ways with one of them it will be a sad day in Pacer nation.

    We are so blessed as a fan of a franchise that has allowed us to watch so many young players grow up, it is an amazingly fun bonding event between a franchise and a player, we know the historical guys, Reggie, Dale Davis, Rik Smits, Antonio, etc. we got to watch those guys go from fresh faced NBA first round fodder to eventually damn near NBA champions and maybe the best core of players to never win a title.

    Now we have Danny, Paul, Lance, Roy, heck I'll even toss Tyler in here because I believe even he has stunned me and has managed to become a better defender this year. The Pacers have a little bit of a college feel to them, they take a core and they grow it and we the fans get to reap the rewards and suffering through the losses and the growing pains, and the "Will Paul ever learn how to dribble?" "Will Lance ever get it?" and then at the end, we get this great payoff, not just a team that is good and wins games, the Knicks have that, the Heat have that, but we have something different, something special, we have those memories where Paul could barely take Kyle Korver off the bounce let alone Lebron James, we have the memories where Lance could barely play 30 seconds against Rodney Stuckey before making a bone headed mistake, let alone 39 minutes of inspired exciting basketball against one of the best shooting guards of the past 20 years.

    Yes, Pacers fans, we are blessed with another team we have gotten to watch grow up. Now we just get to sit back, watch, and enjoy. And for me Lance's journey may be the most satisfying one of all.


  • vnzla81
    Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 69673

    #2
    Re: Mmm mmm this is a tasty dish

    So are you going to tell 90's that he was right all this time?
    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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    • Trader Joe
      DIET COKE!
      • Jan 2006
      • 47076

      #3
      Re: Mmm mmm this is a tasty dish

      Originally posted by vnzla81
      So are you going to tell 90's that he was right all this time?
      90s was definitely right that Lance could learn and grow. However, until the day I die (Or the day Lance proves me wrong I guess ) that Lance is not a point guard


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      • Mad-Mad-Mario
        Member
        • Jul 2012
        • 4135

        #4
        Re: Mmm mmm this is a tasty dish

        I feel like the majority of this board, including myself could have made this topic

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        • Trader Joe
          DIET COKE!
          • Jan 2006
          • 47076

          #5
          Re: Mmm mmm this is a tasty dish

          Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario
          I feel like the majority of this board, including myself could have made this topic
          I just got labeled as a "Lance hater" a lot early in his career. Never really hated him, just didn't think he would ever be more than a 9 or 10 guy and also a PR risk, I was wrong.


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          • Justin Tyme
            Member
            • Mar 2008
            • 13491

            #6
            Re: Mmm mmm this is a tasty dish

            Originally posted by Trader Joe

            and also a PR risk,

            This was my fear, and why I wanted him gone ASAP. How things change!

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            • Hicks
              Member
              • Jun 2004
              • 53117

              #7
              Re: Mmm mmm this is a tasty dish

              A lot of credit probably needs to go to Clark Kellogg for being a mentor to him.

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              • BlueNGold
                Banned
                • Aug 2005
                • 32249

                #8
                Re: Mmm mmm this is a tasty dish

                I never thought he could defend NBA players. I never thought he could shoot like this. He's doing pretty well defensively and he's shooting great. I was definitely wrong about him. I also thought he's most definitely have off court issues that embarrassed the franchise. Wrong again.

                Where's my plate?

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                • Sparhawk
                  Member
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 6290

                  #9
                  Re: Mmm mmm this is a tasty dish

                  The Pacers management, staff and Kellogg all deserve major kudos.

                  I have always been a believer in Lance, but even I didn't know if he'd ever figure it out. PG and Lance are aren't even at their full potential, and I still feel Lance will break out next year much like PG did this year.

                  I hope both are resigned long term. Hill, Lance, PG, West and Hibbert...that's one of the best starting 5 in the league. I don't really want to see Granger go, but if he can bring back some pieces to improve that bench, then I'm all for it.

                  Just have to wait to see how it all plays out, but this Pacer team is exciting.

                  And just think if Vogel ever implements a decent offensive system!
                  First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                  • Sandman21
                    SABONIS! :(
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 8578

                    #10
                    Re: Mmm mmm this is a tasty dish

                    Originally posted by MAStamper
                    A lot of credit probably needs to go to Clark Kellogg and Larry Bird for being mentors to him.
                    Fixed. I honestly think that there are only a few spots Lance could have gone where the support structure was in place for him to become a successful NBA player (San Antonio being the other that comes to mind). I'd also give Jeff Foster a ton of credit for working with Lance during the lockout when Larry and Clark couldn't have contact with him. And now the fruits of their labors are paying off. It's truly a blast to watch, especially seeing as hard Lance has worked to improve his game (remember when he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn from 3 just a year ago?).
                    "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                    "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                    • TinManJoshua
                      Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 1796

                      #11
                      Re: Mmm mmm this is a tasty dish

                      Could definitely use some pepper on my crow. Tastes better than I thought.

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                      • Cactus Jax
                        Formerly PacerFanInAZ
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 7091

                        #12
                        Re: Mmm mmm this is a tasty dish

                        I'll have some of that crow too....tastes good.
                        "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

                        ----------------- Reggie Miller

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                        • Sookie
                          Member
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 8493

                          #13
                          Re: Mmm mmm this is a tasty dish

                          I agree.

                          I think for me too, I didn't expect the Pacers organization to act, in a way, like a college program..where they would concern themselves with mentoring Lance.

                          He also, despite being "exciting" clearly didn't understand a team concept or fundamental basketball, and his skills weren't even skills that would really aid a team. Those players usually don't grow into players who understand a team game or grow into anything useful. But credit to Lance, he certainly did work hard to apply his skills to the team game, understand how to play within the flow of an offense etc..

                          Although I think he can be overrated here because of his "exciting" play, but honestly he is significantly better than I ever imagined him being. Like Trader, I was wrong..and seriously, good for Lance.

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                          • McKeyFan
                            Intuition over Integers
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 15186

                            #14
                            Re: Mmm mmm this is a tasty dish

                            I got fairly well flamed for this thread I started after Lance's first couple of summer league games three years ago:

                            "Lance Stephenson will revolutionize the Pacers"

                            Yeah, I gotta go post in the summer league, thread. But I've been watching it on NBA TV. Ladies and gentleman, we just found our future point guard and the steal of the draft. Lance Stevenson can flat out ball. The only thing I've seen him do wrong so far is miss one foul shot. He hits his outside jumpers. He drives to the
                            "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." โ€”Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                            • Dr. Hibbert
                              Member
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 5074

                              #15
                              Re: Mmm mmm this is a tasty dish

                              On the subject of Lance: where do you all think he still has the most room for growth? What does he have to do to take his game to the next level?

                              My quick, though dumb compared to the rest of you whole know this team better than I do , answer is that he just needs minutes, needs to go through different in-game scenarios, needs to build situational awareness. Things you can't necessarily teach in practice. I see the skillset, and I'm sure there are still a thousand things to work on there, but I mostly notice a general lack of awareness at times. Can't help but think it's youth.

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