RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Brad8888
    Fatman the Malevolent
    • Dec 2008
    • 3892

    Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

    In my view, Danny will now have two physically limiting injuries which will likely never fully heal, the knee tendonosis (not tendonitis PR07) which is likely to recur when high stress resumes on the knee (the stress is what causes the tendonosis reaction as the tendon constantly tries to heal itself), as well as having one foot where his plantar fascia was literally torn apart (not long after the MIP season) due to doctor's recommendations for playing on it in an effort to actually complete the initial tearing and reduce / eliminate the pain. This appears to have been successful, but the functioning of that foot is permanently compromised.

    Without the presence of the plantar fascia, that foot becomes less able to provide the base required for explosiveness and lateral movement. Granted, taping and orthotics can make up for a portion of this loss, but not all of it. Then, the tendonosis and threat of recurrence creates a situation which further degrades his functioning as a defender overall whether he is used as a traditional wing or as a "stretch 4" in my opinion, and also will present a challenge for him to adjust to on his jumpers, namely a lack of lift which will require him to try to make up for by using more arm strength. As long as others are able to create enough space for him, his jumpers should return (even old guys who are not professionals can hit perimeter shots until they get tired), though his release will likely be slowed and more easily defendable due to needing to have a longer arm motion and lower release point due to compensating for lesser lift with less explosive quickness even on the vertical jump.

    None of this is to say that Danny will completely be useless. My guess is that he will peak at 80 - 90% of what he once was. I just doubt he can be the Danny we once knew and loved, and it is through no fault of his own.

    Comment

    • Ace E.Anderson
      Member
      • Dec 2011
      • 18261

      Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

      Originally posted by xIndyFan
      Is Afflalo going to ever be any good? Should Orlando keep Redick, since he has an elite NBA skill, and go ahead and trade Afflalo? Just curious, I always though Afflalo would turn out to be a really good player and he seems to be just another guy so far.
      He's currently averaging 17, 4 and 3 on pretty good shooting % (44%, 35% from 3) and he plays really good defense. He's raised his scoring avg every year he's been in the league.

      No he isn't a star, but hes definitely a starter, and is a tough minded player. His size and defense is what's kept JJ as the 6th man for ORL.

      Comment

      • Derek2k3
        Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 1593

        Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

        Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson
        He's currently averaging 17, 4 and 3 on pretty good shooting % (44%, 35% from 3) and he plays really good defense. He's raised his scoring avg every year he's been in the league.

        No he isn't a star, but hes definitely a starter, and is a tough minded player. His size and defense is what's kept JJ as the 6th man for ORL.
        In a league dearth of quality 2 guards, Afflalo is pretty good. I completely agree with what you said.

        Comment

        • Peck
          Administrator
          • Jan 2004
          • 19953

          Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

          Originally posted by Midcoasted
          You can not possibly know that until we go on a losing streak of epic proportions and miss the playoffs without him. Unfortunately right now I consider the Pacers pretenders. I've been so high on them for the past few years I have already started to grow tired of Vogel's maddening rotations. I think we are no better than we were two years ago when Vogel took over other than the development of our young players. This team is not going to beat Miami or Chicago with a healthy Rose in 7. As good as Paul George is, this team is still lacking. David West is the best scorer from the PF position I've seen the Pacers have, JO included, but trust me he is no Dale Davis with his rebounding or defense either, even though he is good. He is a good player that I'm starting to think is way overvalued around here. Definitely not worth a quarter of the salary cap, but neither is Hibbert but at least he is elite defensively. West is not an elite scorer even though he is more than solid. Lebron is elite. Duncan is elite. West is not. He is not going to put the team on his back and win you a championship.

          My point is if Orlando had Howard last year it would have been no different than the Series with Chicago the year before. We just didn't match up well enough with either team to beat them in a series. But beating up on a shell of the Orlando team that dominated us for years and being up 2-1 on the champs was the biggest fools gold I've ever witnessed as a Pacers fan. We lost the next three in such a manner that has me questioning this teams true ceiling. West may be the weakest link in the chain defensively for the starters. If not him then who? You could argue Lance or Hill, but I tend to think they both are better defenders at their position that West is, and I'm not that high on Hill. He definitely is not a better defender than Granger, so when healthy you are arguing between West and Hill being the weakest link.

          I think this team is better constructed for the power forward to be our fifth option. I think Hill needs his touches, Granger, George, Hibbert. They all need theirs. But that would only work if we had a real point guard that can create for others and also play defense, and we haven't had that since Mark Jackson. (Just leave Tinsley out of this, please). Maybe it is the offensive system we run. Maybe remnants of the JOB days still linger hence why our assist numbers are still bottoms of the NBA.

          Granger or no Granger our system is not championship quality. We don't have good enough shooters or good enough creators at the wing positions. You need one or the other, and we have neither, hopefully only until Lance develops more and gets past his growing pains. West or no West, we will be lucky to get out of the second round. Home court chances are fading fast and I don't think we could take Miami, Brooklyn, Chicago, or the Knicks. We don't have a Lebron, or Dwade, or Rose, or Carmello, so what does it matter? We have borderline All Stars, and unfortunately to win championships in this league you seem to need at least one perennial All Star starter. Our road record makes me believe if we don't have any type of HCA, we will not escape the first round.

          Ok that may be most negative post ever. I'm just going to stop there. I literally turned off the other game early in the third the other night and just left. It's like I don't even get excited about this team anymore. We are starting to slide towards a first round exit in the playoffs.

          Yes our defense is great, but our offense and careless turnovers are just sickening to watch. That is not Pacers basketball. I want Reggie era basketball. Reggie was a pure shooter, and I can't think of one since. And it doesn't surprise me we haven't sniffed the Finals since and I don't think we will until we have at least one.
          I hate that this post is going to get lost inside this thread.

          This is a very good post even if you don't agree with the content. I think you lay out some decent concerns and while I think you are a little overly negative I don't think you are being unreasonable either.

          I'm thinking maybe you should make a new thread and just post this there.


          Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

          Comment

          • Dece
            5Y $150 for Myles
            • Oct 2007
            • 3867

            Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

            Yea, it was an amazing post. A lot of what I feel, but never am eloquent enough to sum up the way Midcoasted did, is in there.

            Comment

            • Hibbert
              Veteran
              • Feb 2010
              • 1145

              Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

              Originally posted by vnzla81
              Danny+Tyler+Green for Redick+Big Baby+Mcbob works, Redick can replace some of Danny's scoring and he can also bring that ball movement and passing we have been asking for in a long time, Big Baby can replace Tyler(he is averaging 15 and 7).

              Pacers starting unit: Hill, Redick, Paul George, West and Hibbert.
              That trade makes no sense whatsoever. Pacers have no interest in "Big Baby" and if they were interested in McBob they would of kept him. We lose big time with this trade scenario. We need Granger and his scoring, our defense is elite while our offense is struggling. Let's wait and see how our team does when Danny gets back and they have time to gel.

              Comment

              Working...