The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

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A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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50 Most Worthless Players in the NBA for the 2012-13 Season

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  • 50 Most Worthless Players in the NBA for the 2012-13 Season

    Several young recently drafted bust made this list. Several of these players are guys that many Pacers fans wanted coming out of college or were free agents recently. I like that the blogger didn't just name names. He gave a valid explanation of why each player made the list and I couldn't argue against him at all.

    The most surprising names IMO are:

    Austin Daye
    James White
    Bizmack Biyombo
    Josh Selby
    Ish Smith (shooting a whopping 14% from the field)
    Joel Pryzbilla
    Nolan Smith
    Jan Vesely

    And notice this gem about one of our favorite punching bags and reason #1 to point at Kstat and yell "HA! HA!" like Nelson from the Simpsons:

    Charlie Villanueva
    Team: Detroit Pistons
    Position: PF
    Age: 28
    2012-13 Per-Game Stats: 6.0 points, 2.2 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.0 blocks, 0.4 steals, 15.71 PER

    At this point, I really have no idea why Charlie Villanueva is still logging minutes for Lawrence Frank's squad. All he's doing is taking away touches from the multitude of young players on the Detroit Pistons, thus hindering their development.

    Plus, there's a solid chance that Villanueva is the absolute worst defensive player in the league. He's allowed opposing power forwards to post a 17.0 PER against him, according to, but that number doesn't accurately reflect his lack of value because other players are forced to help out on his man so often.
    Here's another classic example. No sense in using bold font. The entire comment is hilariously bold worthy:
    Hakim Warrick
    Curtis Wilson-US PRESSWIRE
    Team: Charlotte Bobcats
    Position: PF
    Age: 30
    2012-13 Per-Game Stats: 2.4 points, 1.6 rebounds, 0.1 assists, 0.3 blocks, 0.3 steals, 5.31 PER

    It's far too often that Hakim Warrick finds himself as out of position as he is in the picture above. The power forward doesn't try very often on defense, and the result is usually a lot of open shots for the man he's guarding, especially if the opposing big man is of the versatile variety.

    This would be at least a little bit okay if he played solid offense, but that's not exactly Warrick's strength either. At least not this year, since he's shooting just 17.6 percent from the field and has recorded only a single assist thus far.
    Here's one we can really appreciate:

    Sam Young
    Pat Lovell-US PRESSWIRE

    Team: Indiana Pacers

    Position: SF

    Age: 27

    2012-13 Per-Game Stats: 4.8 points, 3.6 rebounds, 0.7 assists, 0.1 blocks, 0.4 steals, 8.74 PER

    Last, but certainly not least, we have Sam Young, whose last name isn't yet a misnomer since the small forward is still only 27 years old with just three years of experience under his belt.

    That said, Young plays like an old man, rarely relying on his athleticism. He prefers to use his physicality and toughness to bully defenders in one-on-one situations while playing solid defense. Of course, he doesn't get to do either of those things very often.

    Young has shown an increased dependence on a nonexistent shot form behind the three-point arc now that he's with the Indiana Pacers, and the results haven't been pretty.
    Ignore that this is Bleacher Report. This list is filled with really good observations about really bad players.

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    Re: 50 Most Worthless Players in the NBA for the 2012-13 Season

    this list is horrible. How does Beasley make this list?

    Ellington is playing well off the Grizz's bench.

    BR is garbage. I dont know why I just wasted 5 mins of my life reading that
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    • #3
      Re: 50 Most Worthless Players in the NBA for the 2012-13 Season

      Originally posted by MillerTime View Post
      this list is horrible. How does Beasley make this list?

      Ellington is playing well off the Grizz's bench.

      BR is garbage. I dont know why I just wasted 5 mins of my life reading that
      Beasley is an utter disappointment after being a #2 draft pick and he's making really good money. As the article/Slideshow said:
      This combo-forward might be averaging 12.4 points per game for the Phoenix Suns, but he's doing so because of his featured spot in the lineup and in spite of his putrid 37.4 percent shooting from the field. With his sky-high turnover numbers and ineptness when it comes to any sort of facilitation, he's actually hurting the team more than helping it on offense.

      Through 14 games, per, Beasley actually contributed minus-0.6 win shares on the offensive end of the court. His 87 offensive rating is absolutely terrible. According to's advanced stats, the Suns actually score 19.9 more points per 100 possessions when the former Kansas State standout is on the bench than when he's playing.
      Wayne Ellington isn't playing well off the Grizz's bench. He's had a couple of good games (literally 2 games of more than 6 points) but he's been a disappointment overall. He's had 5 games of 2 or less points and I think the Pacers have got more out of Young than the Grizzlies have out of Ellington.


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        Re: 50 Most Worthless Players in the NBA for the 2012-13 Season

        This list is more about "disappointing" players. Many of these players aren't useless just not really productive because they aren't used in their proper role or maybe just slumping.
        Anyway, I'd put Hibbert on that list (If Beasley gets there because he scores 12.5 ppg on 37.4%, I guess Hibbert should be considered with his 9.5 ppg and 38%)
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        • #5
          Re: 50 Most Worthless Players in the NBA for the 2012-13 Season

          Surprised Augustin isn't on it.


          • #6
            Re: 50 Most Worthless Players in the NBA for the 2012-13 Season

            Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
            Surprised Augustin isn't on it.

            For a Player to be worthless....he'd have to have ZERO ability to contribute on both ends of the floor. For now......DJ is not contributing on both ends of the floor.

            Whereas for Young....I hate that he can't hit the side of a barn with a howitzer.....but the Pacers paid the vet minimum for a role Player to do one specific thing....hound the opposing Team's best Wing Scorer and he'd done a superb job of that.
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            • #7
              Re: 50 Most Worthless Players in the NBA for the 2012-13 Season

              Why is Young on that list don't they have Synergy? ...........
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              • #8
                Re: 50 Most Worthless Players in the NBA for the 2012-13 Season

                Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                Whereas for Young....I hate that he can't hit the side of a barn with a howitzer.....but the Pacers paid the vet minimum for a role Player to do one specific thing....hound the opposing Team's best Wing Scorer and he'd done a superb job of that.
                Agreed. While I understand that many are disappointed at Sam Young's lack of offense I think you bring up some great points. They are only paying him the veteran minimum and he was brought in here to play defense. Plus, if Danny were healthy Sam Young would probably play less. It's just too bad that the other wing players, you know the ones who are suppose to score, haven't produced as expected. If the others would score it would allow for Young to shine a little bit.


                • #9
                  Re: 50 Most Worthless Players in the NBA for the 2012-13 Season

                  Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                  Why is Young on that list don't they have Synergy? ...........
                  They had to put a Pacer on there and DJ has been so worthless that they forgot he was on the team.


                  • #10
                    Re: 50 Most Worthless Players in the NBA for the 2012-13 Season

                    Why does Villanueva get minutes? Maybe because he can score and Jerebko can't and Austin is worthless?

                    He's taking minutes away from young players? Who???

                    Yes, CV is an abysmal defender, but cherry picking his season stats from when he was only playing in garbage time isn't fair to him either.

                    In his 4 games as part of the rotation, Villanueva is averaging 14ppg and shooting %58 from the floor.

                    I'm hardly his biggest fan, but pretty much everything said about him in that article was misleading. VIllanueva isn't a great player by any stretch, but he absolutely has value if he plays hard.
                    Last edited by Kstat; 12-01-2012, 04:20 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: 50 Most Worthless Players in the NBA for the 2012-13 Season

                      Hmmm....Charlie V at 5 years and 35 million or Sam Young at the vet minimum for this season...hmmm...decisions,
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                      • #12
                        Sam had a pretty good game last night for a worthless player.


                        • #13
                          Re: 50 Most Worthless Players in the NBA for the 2012-13 Season

                          i certainly agree with his critique of lamar odom. that guy is a total bum. he quit on dallas before he even arrived. even though they won't, they have every right to demand he return every dime they ever paid him while he was there- perhaps the clippers should demand the same.
                          i am just glad he isn't on our roster.


                          • #14
                            Re: 50 Most Worthless Players in the NBA for the 2012-13 Season

                            'Brick' McRoberts and 'slam into the defender and throw the ball toward the basket' Hansbrough should be on there. Hans under 40% FG% is simply pathetic, he should be sent to the D league. McRoberts under 4ppg in 15mpg, he needs to join Hansbrough in the D League.


                            • #15
                              Re: 50 Most Worthless Players in the NBA for the 2012-13 Season

                              And they started off with Lou :-(