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  • #1

    Odd thoughts from the Wolves....

    I'm going everywhere with this one people so be patient with me.

    Pb777, ok Diamond Dave & myself were having a debate. You mixed "in the air tonight" (at least that's what I think the name of it is) by Genesis with something else. What other song was in that mix? The diamond one says you actually used the song itself as background as the drum roll in it was the same, but I think you put something else in there. If it's not a trade seceret I'd like to know what the heck it was. BTW, you got compliments on the call in show after the game. The ladies seem to love ya.

    The fans. I'm amazed game after game. We have awoken from a 5 year sleep. Not since the finals have I seen the home town take to the team in such a way. There was one point in time in the first half that Min. made a run & the fans just gave energy to the team & to their credit they responded. I know we can't make the shots for them or steal the ball but I do think that the energy helps the guys on the floor.

    This brings me to theory # 1.

    Why do I enjoy watching this team more than I did the previous team. **U.B. you might want to skip this part.***
    No, it's not because Ron Artest isn't on the floor. But it might have something to do with that & believe it or not J.O. A caller to Kevin Lee put into words what I was feeling. Even though we love J.O. & Ron (some of you anyway) & even Jackson the offense when they are on the floor is boring. It's the old inside out kick it to J.O. or Ron & let them run post moves till they either can't or they deny the entry. Then & only then does the ball move. With the team we have now we have no post up player. Harrison is about it but he is inconsistant (what you would expect from a rookie) Thus what we have right now is a team of slashers, shooters & passers. We have ball movement on the offensive end of the floor. I just find that more entertaining to watch. Now I will be the first to admit that the post up game is more important & eventually this will catch up with us, but for now I'm enjoying the heck out of this type of play. This is probably why I enjoy Cro on the floor more when J.O. is in there. Because there is more ball movement with him out there as he is another scoring option. I look forward to J.O.'s return but I hope that Carlisle keeps some of the ball flow going for the rest of the year.

    Theory # 2.

    I beleive I now have Donnie Walsh's opinion of the entire suspension. Again this goes to Kevin Lee the post game call in host. Just FYI I asked him a few years ago who his employer was while I was on the air. His answer is that he works for the Indiana Pacers. I guess he is subcontracted to WIBC, but it's safe to assume he is part of the P.R. department. Now the reason I said that was this. A caller asked him what he thought would happen with the appeals. I'm just paraphrasing here but this is the gist of what he said. He stated that he wasn't sure of what the process was but that he didn't feel that Artest suspension would be reduced & then he said the part that I knew was coming from Walsh. He then said that the suspension should not be reduced. That Ron has had previous problems & that this was a long time in coming. He also didn't think Jacksons would be reduced & didn't think it should be. He did think J.O. would get a reduction & that he could make a case for having his lowered. That's what he said. It's my opinion that Walsh shares this same thought & that Lee was just broadcasting what D.W. wants out. I could be totally wrong about this btw.

    Theory # 3.

    Austin Croshere must not be benched. I don't care if J.O. & Foster both come back at 100% tonight vs. the Bobcats. Austin has more than earned his starting spot. I'm going to go back tonight over my tivoed version of the game & try & count the % of time that Cro was on K.G. & I'm telling you it was close to 50% of the time he was on the floor. K.G. never burned him. In fact if I told you that one player had 25 points & 11 rebounds & the other had 23 points & 9 rebounds you probably suspect that J.O. was back & if not you would assume that the 25 & 11 person would have been the big ticket. You would have been wrong. Kids, it pays to practice your freethrows. 10-11 from the line helps you stay in the game at the end. This guy is so clutch I can't even find a better word to describe it. It's not just the F.T. shooting either. Did you see that rebound he got at the end you know the one that Wally fouled him on but they gave him a jump ball? Did you see how many people Austin went up & over & through to get that? I've said it for years now. If there is a tough rebound to get at the end of the game I will take Croshere over anybody on our team (other than J.O. & really sometimes it close between them). He just has that knack that Reggie has, that Dale had, that Travis sometime had. The bigger the moment the tighter the game the better he plays. You can't teach that.

    Theory # 4.

    I didn't feel confident we would win the game until sometime in the third quarter I saw JOneal7 turn his hat from the sideways crook to the reverse angle. I knew then that all was well in the world.

    Theory # 5.

    Jamaal Tinsley is the best point guard in the N.B.A. Try & deny it.

    Theory # 6.

    I know this is corny as hell but for some reason I am connected with this team. I've liked the team over the past few season, but for some reason this one resonates with me. Maybe I'm more of a traditionalist than I ever dreamed. God I'm getting old. But this no star peddle to the metal mentality is something that I am buying hook line & sinker. I would like to thank the fans of Detroit, they have provided us with the most inspired basketball we've seen in almost 10 years.

    I'm curious as to how the injured vets. will fit in with this group when they all come back. Reggie will adapt & in reality it will be good for him. This will be his team until J.O. comes back aboard & I think he will thrive in the break neck pace we are running.

    Look in all likelyhood reality will come crashing back down on us during this road trip, but as long as they display the same effort night in & night out they will have a fan in me for life.

    P.S. could somebody please remind me again why we kept John Edwards & didn't sign Randy Holcomb at the begining of the season? This guy is such a dud that he cannot even get off of the bench when we are short handed & two players who signed that day played when he didn't. Will there ever come a time when Walsh doesn't have to have a 7' center who can't play but has potential because he is tall?


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13
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    Re: Odd thoughts from the Wolves....

    Peck, you truly do write your best at 3 in the morning. Great post. Comments:

    1. I agree with you that this team is a lot of fun to watch. It kinda reminds of me of our 90s years with our team being primarily offensive. That was always fun to watch, and I see a little of that in these guys. Put in the underdog factor and that it is us against the league, and that just makes for an exciting team. Winning doesn't hurt either.

    2. That is a very interesting theory, and we will see what happens. Here's to having all of our players back ASAP.

    3. I am still torn on this. I don't know what to think, I love Croshere so much, but I honestly don't know. I can't answer this right now.

    5. With you 100%. Jamaal is just an amazing playmaker, and his vision of the court is unsurpassed by none in the league. This kid is incredible, and he makes this offense tick. Bird was right, he just may be an allstar. And if not, he should. Without question.

    6. This ties in with 1, but because this so much like our late 90s team, it is so much fun to watch. People share the ball with no star, and it is so much fun to watch the offense like that.
    Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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    • #3
      Re: Odd thoughts from the Wolves....

      I agree whole heartedly that this Pacer team is the most fun that I have seen in years.

      With Tinsely running the point, there is no reason why they should stop running when JO comes back. Tinsley still worries me with some of the decisions that he makes, and with his shooting, but overall he has really impressed me with his game. He is made to run point on a team that pushes the ball.

      Croshere is finally getting the respect that he has deserved. I knew that there was no possible way that he would miss any of the free throws the end, just like I thought that Tinsley probably wouldn't be able to make both of his. Not to ride Tinsley, but it just goes to show how rare it is to have a player who can always drain 'em like Cro. And that rebound. Peck is right on the rebounding. Incredible.

      I think what this shows is telling of the entire NBA. Why does it happen on teams that certain players are the ones to take the shots? Why do Artest and Oneal always take 30+ shots combined, while others are supposed to defer? What really separates a 20ppg scorer in the NBA, and bench players like the Jones tandem that rarely get the chance? I hate to say it, but I think somewhere along the line, people are given the entitlement, and that ego gets way too much in the way.

      A writer I think on Yahoo made a comparison with this team and Argentina. I just don't understand why the NBA doesn't get back to team basketball instead of isolations and clear outs, as has proven to be more effective internationally. Imagine, for instance, if the Pacers played the same style of game, only it's Oneal dunking the ball in the paint instead of having it drop off Pollard's feet. Team basketball really works when it's played with immense energy as this team has shown. The style is fun, the style works, and it really opens up the long range game which is going to explode when Reggie comes back. Watch out Seattle.

      Winning is the not the most important thing to me. Having fun, rooting for players with heart, and cheering for a team that has a chance to win is more than I can ask for.

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      • #4
        Re: Odd thoughts from the Wolves....

        No comments about James Jones tonight and in particular whether he or Bender should be getting regular minutes when (IF?) Bender is ever back?

        Count me amongst those who like the cutting, screening, and motion along with the energy and hustle this team is showing so far.

        -Bball
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

        -John Wooden

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        • #5
          Re: Odd thoughts from the Wolves....

          Originally posted by Peck
          I'm going everywhere with this one people so be patient with me.

          Pb777, ok Diamond Dave & myself were having a debate. You mixed "in the air tonight" (at least that's what I think the name of it is) by Genesis with something else. What other song was in that mix? The diamond one says you actually used the song itself as background as the drum roll in it was the same, but I think you put something else in there. If it's not a trade seceret I'd like to know what the heck it was.
          Snoop - "Drop It Like It's Hot" beat mixed with Phil Collins "In The Air Tonight"

          That **** was crazy, I'm glad that you caught it

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          • #6
            Re: Odd thoughts from the Wolves....

            lmao@the comment about my hat...I usually am tensed up and don't want people to see my eyes to well..that's why I do it...But i finally relaxed and really thought we had this one. BTW you tivoed it? TNT? Can you look for me on the final 30 seconds or so? someone on here said they saw me...if u could find a way 2 get a screen shot of it up here i'd be much appreciative..if not it's strait...

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            • #7
              Re: Odd thoughts from the Wolves....

              btw PB i sit right in front of you...good job tonight man...you gone shout me out sometime? ROFL...T1 The MC
              lmao

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              • #8
                Re: Odd thoughts from the Wolves....

                Originally posted by JOneal7
                btw PB i sit right in front of you...good job tonight man...you gone shout me out sometime? ROFL...T1 The MC
                lmao
                wtf does ROFL mean?

                You had a JO all star on? I saw you i think.

                T1 the mic????

                Been in the club. tins came out, was a good night..!

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                • #9
                  Re: Odd thoughts from the Wolves....

                  ROFL=Rollin on tha floor laughing...yea I had on the JO all star...naw T1 the M-C..Emcee
                  lol
                  gimme a shout out sometime...

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                  • #10
                    Re: Odd thoughts from the Wolves....

                    Originally posted by pb777
                    wtf does ROFL mean?

                    You had a JO all star on? I saw you i think.

                    T1 the mic????

                    Been in the club. tins came out, was a good night..!
                    Whew... I thought maybe I was the only one that needed a translator sometimes for JO7!

                    ....I knew what ROFL means but T1 the MC still has got me! I can get the MC but not following the T1.

                    -Bball
                    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                    -John Wooden

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                    • #11
                      Re: Odd thoughts from the Wolves....

                      T1=My rap name...theres a meaning behind it ...but it's really 2 early over here to explain it..lol , and naw it don't have anything 2 do with an internet connection.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Odd thoughts from the Wolves....

                        Originally posted by pb777
                        Snoop - "Drop It Like It's Hot" beat mixed with Phil Collins "In The Air Tonight"

                        That **** was crazy, I'm glad that you caught it
                        Good to know my ears weren't fooling me.

                        BTW, I was dissapointed you didn't sing along with "We will Rock you". Nothing makes me more happy (well other than a Pacers W) than to hear you do the Ric Flair Wooooooooooooooo! during that song.

                        BTW, was that you that played Vinella Ice at the half?


                        Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                        • #13
                          Re: Odd thoughts from the Wolves....

                          Originally posted by Bball
                          No comments about James Jones tonight and in particular whether he or Bender should be getting regular minutes when (IF?) Bender is ever back?

                          Count me amongst those who like the cutting, screening, and motion along with the energy and hustle this team is showing so far.

                          -Bball
                          I'm still on the James Jones train. Even though he didn't dominate he still played his third straight game without an injury. So right there puts him ahead in my book.

                          On that note, while I don't want to criticize a guy when it's hard to know how much pain he is in. How inspiring is it to watch Pollard litteraly limp up & down the floor wincing in pain the entire time & yet fight push & claw every min. he's on the floor. Is Bender really in more pain that Pollard? It's not for me to say, but I just find Scot inspiring at this point.

                          Also back on topic. Again I thought James played great defense. He split time between Wally & Spree & I thought he did excellant on each.


                          Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                          • #14
                            Re: Odd thoughts from the Wolves....

                            James jones hit some big shots tonight I thought!
                            He came up big...but tinsley is really impressing me now more than ever...

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                            • #15
                              Re: Odd thoughts from the Wolves....

                              Originally posted by Peck
                              I'm still on the James Jones train. Even though he didn't dominate he still played his third straight game without an injury. So right there puts him ahead in my book.

                              On that note, while I don't want to criticize a guy when it's hard to know how much pain he is in. How inspiring is it to watch Pollard litteraly limp up & down the floor wincing in pain the entire time & yet fight push & claw every min. he's on the floor. Is Bender really in more pain that Pollard? It's not for me to say, but I just find Scot inspiring at this point.

                              Also back on topic. Again I thought James played great defense. He split time between Wally & Spree & I thought he did excellant on each.
                              I've been impressed with Pollard myself and believe me, I was ready to put him in any trade that was ever possible this summer including trading him for a beer and a bucket of popcorn. This is not the same Pollard we saw last year.

                              James Jones seems to me, so far, to be playing Bender right on down the bench. I have no idea what the extent of Bender's injury might be. I have no idea whether other players could or would play thru similar. What I do know is James Jones is a player who is showing up, able to play, playing with confidence, and seemingly 'getting it'.

                              I'm already on record as saying I think we are seeing the final chapter in Bender's career. Last year they started using words like 'chronic' in describing his problem. This year we are hearing it stems from HS.
                              Bender brings nearly 'zero' in the intangibles department and with the Pistons setting the bar for a championship last year I just don't see Bender able to withstand the physical nature of the game or maintain the defensive pressure we need. And I question his ability to ever be fundamentally sound on the court.

                              In any case, we are getting MORE from JJones than I think we could ever hope for from Bender even if he could stay healthy.

                              -Bball
                              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                              -John Wooden

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