Cash Considerations kept quiet in the Mahinmi/Dallas deal??

[cinotimz]

It just doesn't add up. A pure salary dump of two players with expiring reasonable contracts when you already have tons of capspace to sign the player and subsequent players you would like to sign. Typically at the very least, both probably couldve garnered a 2nd rounder-not unlike the second rounder we gave Toronto for Barbosa. So then why do it? Roster spots werent at a premium either. Wasnt like we had to have the room. So why? Is Walsh and company really so inept?

Then BP got me thinking. While its typical that a draft choice is exchanged n such deals, sometimes there are cash considerations. I believe up to 3.1 million can be included in each transaction this year. So maybe Cuban-especially given his direction-would prefer to keep his draft choices for now and instead ponied up some cash instead-which hes been known to do...and the Pacers are known to be not one of the more financially solid teams...so....and even moreso if the Pacers did end up doing the same as Portland was rumored to be doing with Roys contract.

And if so, is it any surprise that such wasnt made public? That they basically sold the two players for cash? Not that theres anything wrong with this....in fact in some ways it would be a bit of a relief....knowing we didnt actually just give 2 decent players with good contracts away for nothing. Now, the fact we did so for strictly cash...well...thats a whole new can of worms....

I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy.....and this sounds incredibly plausible...

Have fun

[PacerPenguins]

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[LG33]

Re: Cash Considerations kept quiet in the Mahinmi/Dallas deal??

It hasn't been reported, but I believe we also received a coupon for a free backrub and a year's supply of calendars. Moreover, Donnie Nelson invited Kevin Pritchard to join the super secret general managers' Pen15 club, but whether or not KP has accepted this offer is unclear.

[Pacer Fan]

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It just doesn't add up. A pure salary dump of two players with expiring reasonable contracts when you already have tons of capspace to sign the player and subsequent players you would like to sign. Typically at the very least, both probably couldve garnered a 2nd rounder-not unlike the second rounder we gave Toronto for Barbosa. So then why do it? Roster spots werent at a premium either. Wasnt like we had to have the room. So why? Is Walsh and company really so inept?

Then BP got me thinking. While its typical that a draft choice is exchanged n such deals, sometimes there are cash considerations. I believe up to 3.1 million can be included in each transaction this year. So maybe Cuban-especially given his direction-would prefer to keep his draft choices for now and instead ponied up some cash instead-which hes been known to do...and the Pacers are known to be not one of the more financially solid teams...so....and even moreso if the Pacers did end up doing the same as Portland was rumored to be doing with Roys contract.

And if so, is it any surprise that such wasnt made public? That they basically sold the two players for cash? Not that theres anything wrong with this....in fact in some ways it would be a bit of a relief....knowing we didnt actually just give 2 decent players with good contracts away for nothing. Now, the fact we did so for strictly cash...well...thats a whole new can of worms....

I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy.....and this sounds incredibly plausible...

Have fun

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[Steagles]

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No.

[BornReady]

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I like puppies

[ilive4sports]

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I like turtles.

[Will Galen]

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So why? Is Walsh and company really so inept?

The front office inept? I don't think they are. Our front five held their own with Miami, so they brought them back intact. Our key reserves didn't get the job done last year, so the front office has made the 2ed unit bigger and much more athletic.

You might not agree with the choices the front office has made, but that hardly makes them inept.

It appears to me they've given Vogal a more smashmouth team, now it's up to him. I think it is smart to go with two units during the season, because I think it keeps injuries down. However, I'm with Peck and think the rotations have to be shortened during the playoffs.

I think calling the front office inept when the team is months away from even playing a game and actually seeing what the results are makes you look . . . bad. Or you are just trolling, and from the tone of your whole post, that's what I suspect.

[OlBlu]

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The front office inept? I don't think they are. Our front five held their own with Miami, so they brought them back intact. Our key reserves didn't get the job done last year, so the front office has made the 2ed unit bigger and much more athletic.

You might not agree with the choices the front office has made, but that hardly makes them inept.

It appears to me they've given Vogal a more smashmouth team, now it's up to him. I think it is smart to go with two units during the season, because I think it keeps injuries down. However, I'm with Peck and think the rotations have to be shortened during the playoffs.

I think calling the front office inept when the team is months away from even playing a game and actually seeing what the results are makes you look . . . bad. Or you are just trolling, and from the tone of your whole post, that's what I suspect.

The front office has done well considering we are a small market team that won't attract super stars.......

[cinotimz]

Re: Cash Considerations kept quiet in the Mahinmi/Dallas deal??

The front office inept? I don't think they are. Our front five held their own with Miami, so they brought them back intact. Our key reserves didn't get the job done last year, so the front office has made the 2ed unit bigger and much more athletic.

You might not agree with the choices the front office has made, but that hardly makes them inept.

It appears to me they've given Vogal a more smashmouth team, now it's up to him. I think it is smart to go with two units during the season, because I think it keeps injuries down. However, I'm with Peck and think the rotations have to be shortened during the playoffs.

I think calling the front office inept when the team is months away from even playing a game and actually seeing what the results are makes you look . . . bad. Or you are just trolling, and from the tone of your whole post, that's what I suspect.

Will you lost sigh of the forest for the trees...and missed the whole point...

I dont believe theyre inept. Which is why I find it almost impossible to believe they would give away two players. And get nothiing in return. Nothing. This wasnt Mike Dunleavey and Troy Murphy on bloated longterm contracts. These are expirings at little money and guys that can actually play and contribute... Hence where the possibility of them actually gettting something...CASH...and it just not being reported. Now that does make alot of sense. Its frankly a whole helluva lot more plausible than getting nothing.

[Sandman21]

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I like turtles.

I love lamp.

[PacerPenguins]

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Will you lost sigh of the forest for the trees...and missed the whole point...

I dont believe theyre inept. Which is why I find it almost impossible to believe they would give away two players. And get nothiing in return. Nothing. This wasnt Mike Dunleavey and Troy Murphy on bloated longterm contracts. These are expirings at little money and guys that can actually play and contribute... Hence where the possibility of them actually gettting something...CASH...and it just not being reported. Now that does make alot of sense. Its frankly a whole helluva lot more plausible than getting nothing.

Do you know anything about basketball? We only traded DC + Dahntay for Mahinmi in order to get rid of DJ's contract. That led us space to sign Gerald Green and arguably a better point guard than DC in Augustine. The trade was lopsided for a reason. The whole point of doing sign in trades with an UFA is to get rid of contracts. We SAVED by doing that.

[aamcguy]

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It hasn't been reported, but I believe we also received a coupon for a free backrub and a year's supply of calendars. Moreover, Donnie Nelson invited Kevin Pritchard to join the super secret general managers' Pen15 club, but whether or not KP has accepted this offer is unclear.

[cinotimz]

Re: Cash Considerations kept quiet in the Mahinmi/Dallas deal??

Do you know anything about basketball? We only traded DC + Dahntay for Mahinmi in order to get rid of DJ's contract. That led us space to sign Gerald Green and arguably a better point guard than DC in Augustine. The trade was lopsided for a reason. The whole point of doing sign in trades with an UFA is to get rid of contracts. We SAVED by doing that.

Ummm...do I? Yes...actually I do...We didnt have to get rid of DJs contract or anyone elses to do any of the aforementioned deals. We had the capspace to sign them all. And no, the whole reason for doing sign and trades is typically because the team getting the free agent cant sign them outright. But in this case we couldve. Because we had the capspace. Its not a hard concept.

[PacerPenguins]

Re: Cash Considerations kept quiet in the Mahinmi/Dallas deal??

Ummm...do I? Yes...actually I do...We didnt have to get rid of DJs contract or anyone elses to do any of the aforementioned deals. We had the capspace to sign them all. And no, the whole reason for doing sign and trades is typically because the team getting the free agent cant sign them outright. But in this case we couldve. Because we had the capspace. Its not a hard concept.

Yes we had the money, but like Walsh said we are already over cap. If we would have done the same moves we would be about 6-7 mil above the cap and no way Simon does that. He made a basketball move. Also if we wanted Gerald Green then y in the hell would we pay DJ to do nothing, makes no sense. Green > DJ... toss up who you think is better between Augustine and DC.. DC has his moments but just not an effective player and the offense is stagnant.