2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

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  • Sparhawk
    Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 6290

    Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

    Originally posted by Nuntius
    If we're talking about a back-up PG then I'm all for it. Myck Kabongo fits the physical profile of the Pacers so I would have no problem with him.

    But someone talked about finding a PG of the future and transitioning Hill in a 6th man role. That's something I don't agree with. A PG in the vain of Hill and Conley is exactly the kind of PG that the Pacers need.

    For a 6th man, I'd prefer a Guard - Forward type that can score in a combination of ways (3 point shooting, getting to the line or a post-up game).
    Myck has the size the Pacers would want, but he can't hit the 3. Pacers need their pg to be able to knock down long range shots. That's why Hill is so great for the Pacers system.
    First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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    • Nuntius
      Member
      • Jan 2012
      • 35969

      Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

      Originally posted by Sparhawk
      Myck has the size the Pacers would want, but he can't hit the 3. Pacers need their pg to be able to knock down long range shots. That's why Hill is so great for the Pacers system.
      Yeah, I agree that our PG needs to hit the 3. It is the best way to make open up space for our post players.

      Is his shot completely broke? I have faith in our shooting coach seeing the improvement of Lance.
      Originally posted by IrishPacer
      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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      • Slick Pinkham
        Member
        • Jan 2004
        • 10647

        Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

        Originally posted by Dgreenwell3
        I don't buy that Doug McDermott can't change our bench offensively.
        I don't like him as a first rounder though. To me he's among the mid second-rounders who could stick (with Wolters, Kabongo, Snaer, Payne, and very late in the 2nd or as a free agent, Deshaun Thomas). Larkin and Crabb might be in the late 1st/early 2nd mix too.

        This draft seems to have almost no potential stars but a lot of guys who could stick around as rotation players if they are able to find the right situation, and they can be had from about pick 15 up to pick 60 with not a lot of daylight in between them all.
        The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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        • Nuntius
          Member
          • Jan 2012
          • 35969

          Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

          Originally posted by Wylder1324
          IMO finding "X" player of the future should always take priority over a one dimensional player that happens to fit into the current scheme of things….that is unless you have an elite level team that is a top contender for a championship team already. We are not that. This is by far the closest thing we have had to that in quite some time, but we aren't there yet.
          I just don't see Hill as an one dimensional player that happens to fit our current scheme of things

          Originally posted by Wylder1324
          My interest in Kabongo is as a player that is likely a 3rd string guy that we develop as a potential starter down the road. Do I think he could potentially break that mold sooner than later ? Yes, but realistically I think the idea is to draft him and sign a replacement for Augustin in the short term. I agree we do not currently run a system that relies on the PG in the way that a team with Chris Paul does, but that is because we don't currently employ a PG in that class, not because we simply don't think its a recipe for success. All of that said, I just think that a guy like Kabongo represents a potential low risk HIGH reward type of scenario that late in what is perceived as potentially the weakest draft….ever ?
          I have no problem with the interest in Kabongo. I would welcome him and I'd be glad if we were to groom him right.

          But I disagree with two things:

          1) I sincerely does not believe that a team in which everything revolves around the shortest player on the court (ie. the PG) is going to win a lot of titles.

          2) I do not consider this to be the weakest draft ever. If anything I consider it a pretty deep draft.
          Originally posted by IrishPacer
          Empty vessels make the most noise.

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          • cdash
            Whale Shepherd
            • Jun 2009
            • 32259

            Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

            Originally posted by Nuntius
            Yeah, I agree that our PG needs to hit the 3. It is the best way to make open up space for our post players.

            Is his shot completely broke? I have faith in our shooting coach seeing the improvement of Lance.
            Nah, if you watch him he has decent enough form. As the Spurs have demonstrated time and again over the years, three point shooting is very much an attainable skill.

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            • Nuntius
              Member
              • Jan 2012
              • 35969

              Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

              Originally posted by cdash
              Nah, if you watch him he has decent enough form. As the Spurs have demonstrated time and again over the years, three point shooting is very much an attainable skill.
              I tend to agree.
              Originally posted by IrishPacer
              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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              • Wylder1324
                Member
                • Jun 2009
                • 289

                Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                I didn't mean to come across as insinuating that I thought Hill was a one dimensional player, on the contrary I am a big fan of Hill and love what he has brought to the organization, I hope he is able to get through this nagging injury in the playoffs. As for Kabongo's outside shooting I think it will be fine, that isn't something he has ever been knocked for, his percentages as a freshmen aren't really indicative as his biggest problem was pacing and learning the college game which will make all of your percentages suffer and as a soph he didn't play enough to get into a groove but had some very nice games as a shooter and as Cdash mentioned, his form isn't bad and yes Lance has shown that our coaches are earning their salaries.

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                • Nuntius
                  Member
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 35969

                  Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                  Originally posted by Wylder1324
                  As for Kabongo's outside shooting I think it will be fine, that isn't something he has ever been knocked for, his percentages as a freshmen aren't really indicative as his biggest problem was pacing and learning the college game which will make all of your percentages suffer and as a soph he didn't play enough to get into a groove but had some very nice games as a shooter and as Cdash mentioned, his form isn't bad and yes Lance has shown that our coaches are earning their salaries.
                  Yeah, I'm not very worried about Kabongo's shooting either.
                  Originally posted by IrishPacer
                  Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                  • xIndyFan
                    Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 5457

                    Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                    Originally posted by cdash
                    Nah, if you watch him he has decent enough form. As the Spurs have demonstrated time and again over the years, three point shooting is very much an attainable skill.
                    IIRC, the Spurs try to draft guys that are very good shooters to begin with. I vaguely remember an interview with Popovich where he said they look for guys with an elite skill vs guys with better all around talent. They take guys that are already good shooters and refine the skill rather than just average shooters and turn them into great shooters.

                    I would rather the Pacers look for a combo guard type that can shoot and handle the ball and turn him into a Pacer PG rather than a college PG that needs to be taught how to shoot.

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                    • Coopdog23
                      THE WITCH IS DEAD!!!
                      • May 2010
                      • 3473

                      Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                      Originally posted by Nuntius
                      Yeah, I agree that our PG needs to hit the 3. It is the best way to make open up space for our post players.

                      Is his shot completely broke? I have faith in our shooting coach seeing the improvement of Lance.
                      He also has to be able to penetrate the lane to kick it out as well. With PG and Lance on the perimeter and West in the mid range
                      Smothered Chicken!

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                      • xIndyFan
                        Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 5457

                        Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                        “Dumars está absolutamente enamorado de Zeljko Obradovic”,
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                        Evidently Detroit likes this guy. Who is he?

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                        • Justin Tyme
                          Member
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 13491

                          Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                          The McDermott kid from Creighton has decided to stay in school. Apparently, does like being a 2nd rd pick.

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                          • Pacersalltheway10
                            B U T L E R..U a Bulldog!
                            • Jun 2010
                            • 3716

                            Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                            Russ Smith is going back to Louisville as well.

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                            • joew8302
                              Member
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 9561

                              Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                              Originally posted by Justin Tyme
                              The McDermott kid from Creighton has decided to stay in school. Apparently, does like being a 2nd rd pick.
                              He plays for his dad, and this is the last time in his life he will be able to do so. I applaud his decision.

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                              • Nuntius
                                Member
                                • Jan 2012
                                • 35969

                                Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                                Originally posted by xIndyFan
                                Link

                                Evidently Detroit likes this guy. Who is he?
                                The best coach in Europe.
                                Originally posted by IrishPacer
                                Empty vessels make the most noise.

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