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Pacers Press Conference set for 11AM Wednesday June 27 2012

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  • Re: Pacers Press Conference set for 11AM Wednesday June 27 2012

    Originally posted by Hicks View Post
    The fact of speculation or interpretation?



    Yeah, it matters. They're not clones or twins; they'll have their own opinions on what should be and what should not be. DW's opinion > KP's opinion here.
    As a fan, it makes no difference to me. As long as we make the correct moves to make the team better.

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    • Re: Pacers Press Conference set for 11AM Wednesday June 27 2012

      Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
      Like I said, Donnie's stint in New York was actually pretty successful, that was his last job, not the disasterous last few years he had with the Pacers. Some of you are picking and choosing what you want to remember about his career.
      He made financial trades to line up cap space in 2010 so he could use the fact that he was in New York to sign Amare Stoudemire after LeBron wouldn't touch them, and then, with him objecting, they overpaid to trade their depth for Melo. I don't knock him for that, it just doesn't blow me away, and we won't replicate that here.

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      • Re: Pacers Press Conference set for 11AM Wednesday June 27 2012

        One thing that I think that we can come out of this knowing with relative certainty is that our own free agents are top priorities, I feel much more comfortable about our willingness to retain Roy than I did a few days back.

        Also I didn't get the vibe that Larry leaving was about Simon being unwilling to spend. We aren't going to go WAY over the cap or perhaps even risk the new penalties at all, but that is common sense. Hell, Cuban of all people has been more conservative in his moves in light of the new CBA, which partially accounts for not retaining Chandler deespite bieng imo, the 2nd most important piece of their Championship team.

        I think Donny and Pritch will make a good team. It isn't like Donnie is unwilling to take risks, He transformed our aging contending team into a young contending team, and I dare say that honestly it was Larry just as much as Walsh that was so public in his loyalty to Artest.

        Pritchard is obviously great at setting up potential deals, if Morway truly was the one that caused some of our prosepctive deals to fall through then hopefully him being out of the picture ensures they go through next time.

        Nothing indicates this huge unwillingness to spend on Herb's part, not sure why people are freaking out about that, he's shown himself willing to spend in the past, and while new restrictions are forcing all teams to be a bit more weary I doubt he would blow a chance to make us real contenders if there is a reasonable way to do it financially, we were never going to spend like LA, this isn't the NFL we don't have the TV money to fall back on , but i'm sure that he's amenable to resigning our own players and signing new players that will improve the product on the floor, we have lots of momentum, and nothing today scared me into thinking that it's all going to end badly.
        Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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        • Re: Pacers Press Conference set for 11AM Wednesday June 27 2012

          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
          It's well known that Larry had a meeting with Orlando for their FO job, I opened a thread few days ago with the article.
          Here is the thread and article.

          http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...cers-president
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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          • Re: Pacers Press Conference set for 11AM Wednesday June 27 2012

            Originally posted by Hicks View Post
            Bird said he doesn't want to own the Pacers anymore (I think he did years ago, back closer to when he first joined the front office), so it's moot. I recall he had gathered a group to try to buy the Hawks or the Bobcats or something back in the early 2000's.
            Why would he want to buy them when they don't get fan support and they lose money every year..... I wouldn't want to own them (in Indy anyway) either......

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            • Re: Pacers Press Conference set for 11AM Wednesday June 27 2012

              Originally posted by Trophy View Post
              As a fan, it makes no difference to me. As long as we make the correct moves to make the team better.
              Well, yeah, but that's the whole point of my concern: I'm not convinced this new 2-headed monster will make the team better.

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              • Re: Pacers Press Conference set for 11AM Wednesday June 27 2012

                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                He made financial trades so he could use the fact that he was in New York to buy Amare Stoudemire, and then, with him objecting, they overpaid to trade for Melo. I don't knock him for that, it just doesn't blow me away.
                There were many both on PD and around the NBA, who thought liquidating the Knick's obscene amount of egregious contracts would be nearly impossible yet Walsh he did it. He was right on the nose about not giving up all the young assets the Knicks had on Melo. I would say he had a very successful stint in New York and that is not even addressing his first 10+ years of work with the Pacers which were also very well done.

                Again, I understand we are talking about something that is very subjective, just stating how I see it.


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                • Re: Pacers Press Conference set for 11AM Wednesday June 27 2012

                  Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                  I think that's up to interpretation to me, it sounds like Bird met with the Magic as a courtesy and nothing more. If he met at all.


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                  • Re: Pacers Press Conference set for 11AM Wednesday June 27 2012

                    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                    Like I said, Donnie's stint in New York was actually pretty successful, that was his last job, not the disasterous last few years he had with the Pacers. Some of you are picking and choosing what you want to remember about his career.
                    It really wasn't successful though. He tied up max money to a player they couldn't even insure, drafted a fringe rotation player with a top 10 pick, drafted a middling starter with a #6 pick, hired a terrible coach, and put together a roster with overlapping skill sets and gaping deficiencies.

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                    • Re: Pacers Press Conference set for 11AM Wednesday June 27 2012

                      Originally posted by daschysta View Post
                      One thing that I think that we can come out of this knowing with relative certainty is that our own free agents are top priorities, I feel much more comfortable about our willingness to retain Roy than I did a few days back.

                      Also I didn't get the vibe that Larry leaving was about Simon being unwilling to spend. We aren't going to go WAY over the cap or perhaps even risk the new penalties at all, but that is common sense. Hell, Cuban of all people has been more conservative in his moves in light of the new CBA, which partially accounts for not retaining Chandler deespite bieng imo, the 2nd most important piece of their Championship team.

                      I think Donny and Pritch will make a good team. It isn't like Donnie is unwilling to take risks, He transformed our aging contending team into a young contending team, and I dare say that honestly it was Larry just as much as Walsh that was so public in his loyalty to Artest.

                      Pritchard is obviously great at setting up potential deals, if Morway truly was the one that caused some of our prosepctive deals to fall through then hopefully him being out of the picture ensures they go through next time.

                      Nothing indicates this huge unwillingness to spend on Herb's part, not sure why people are freaking out about that, he's shown himself willing to spend in the past, and while new restrictions are forcing all teams to be a bit more weary I doubt he would blow a chance to make us real contenders if there is a reasonable way to do it financially, we were never going to spend like LA, this isn't the NFL we don't have the TV money to fall back on , but i'm sure that he's amenable to resigning our own players and signing new players that will improve the product on the floor, we have lots of momentum, and nothing today scared me into thinking that it's all going to end badly.
                      I disagree with you. I think it was all about money. Larry wanted to see if Simon was willing to spend before committing to staying with the team. He is leaving, what does that tell you? I think Herb was unwilling to spend and was just delighted to have a team like last year with little interest in contending for a title. That has been the Simon method since they have owned the team. The run with Reggie more like just happened than was planned or money was spent to produce that team. I think the GM will leave as soon as he realized that Walsh will call all of the shots as he always did..... I see this as a huge step backward.......

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                      • Re: Pacers Press Conference set for 11AM Wednesday June 27 2012

                        I wish someone would've asked Donnie and KP about their contracts, if they even have one. Length specifically, couldn't care less what they get paid.

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                        • Re: Pacers Press Conference set for 11AM Wednesday June 27 2012

                          I think in this offseason we will see a couple of things change:

                          1) We will see an aggressive attack for the returns or Brandon Roy AND Greg Oden from Pritchard. Worthwhile risks because Oden would have a cheap deal, and the question on Roy isn't that he can't play, but if he can handle the rigors of a regular season.

                          2) We will be more aggressive in the draft than before, and we might to the Charlotte route, putting on salary (A decent player, such as Ben Gordon) to obtain a draft pick.

                          3) Everyone becomes tradeable outside of Roy Hibbert and George Hill, since they are being brought back.

                          4) We are more likely to attempt a blockbuster deal for a very good player.

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                          • Re: Pacers Press Conference set for 11AM Wednesday June 27 2012

                            Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                            Well, yeah, but that's the whole point of my concern: I'm not convinced this new 2-headed monster will make the team better.
                            I tend to agree with you often... but this two-headed monster thing I don't. Fact is most FO's work as teams. (you even re-tweeted a series of tweets explaining that recently)
                            "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                            • Re: Pacers Press Conference set for 11AM Wednesday June 27 2012

                              Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                              It really wasn't successful though. He tied up max money to a player they couldn't even insure, drafted a fringe rotation player with a top 10 pick, drafted a middling starter with a #6 pick, hired a terrible coach, and put together a roster with overlapping skill sets and gaping deficiencies.
                              I am not a big fan of Walsh but this is unfair. He didn't hire a terrible coach and what do you think expect other than a middling starter with the #6 pick? Many top ten picks become fringe rotation players or worse. The draft is about a 50/50 proposition. Walsh brought stars to NY and that will eventually pay off.......

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                              • Re: Pacers Press Conference set for 11AM Wednesday June 27 2012

                                Well, I'm very excited to see what happens in the draft tomorrow, will Larry play it safe or will he swing for the fences? I think we know what Pritch will be rooting for and with all the activity that has the potential of occurring in the first round I think it will be fun to see how it plays out. As far as Donnie, I guess we really don't have to worry about him until next offseason as long as he signs Hill and Hibby LOL


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