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NY Daily News: Walsh is officially back with the Pacers...

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  • #46
    Re: NY Daily News: Walsh is officially back with the Pacers...

    Having Walsh back means you can cross out any Free Agents... RFA or not. We're going to overpay our own, which is one thing when your own are really, really good... and entirely another when your own are somewhere between 'untapped potential' and 'nice player'... and need to retain flexibility in order to improve.

    Maybe Bird and company wouldn't have looked to FA as well this summer... but it's guaranteed with Walsh we won't.

    You're not going to tell me that Walsh returning to the team doesn't mean things will not revert back to his way. Otherwise, why even do it?

    And why would Bird want him back???

    This smells like a Simon hire and it seems like some kind of trump card being played because Bird wanted to can Morway. It also seems to explain the delays we've been seeing with meetings. Bird still might be back... but I wouldn't be surprised to see him not be either.

    Can Bird or make him uncomfortable so he quits... whatever... Say no to Pritchard and stick with Morway... But why would Simon want Walsh back??? It is NOT (IMHO) a basketball move. It's the old boys club getting back together.

    We have ownership issues.
    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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    • #47
      Re: NY Daily News: Walsh is officially back with the Pacers...

      Originally posted by rm1369 View Post
      Are you suggesting I should be happy with a nice little team that plays hard and looks good, but can never really compete with the big boys? If so, then we may just be different types of fans. And I don't mean that in a derogatory sense. I actually enjoy watching a team learn and improve if I believe in where they are going. I'm more excited for this upcoming Colts season than any in the last 5 years. I believe in what they are doing. I don't believe in what the Pacers are selling. It kills me because I really, truly would like to. But I don't. This team, IMO, is fools gold. I would love to be wrong. The worst part is we likely won't know for sure for 2 - 3 more years.
      so how do you really feel?
      Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.

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      • #48
        Re: NY Daily News: Walsh is officially back with the Pacers...

        Originally posted by Hicks View Post
        For my part, I'm suggesting that maybe Herb Simon is not an A+ owner but perhaps an A- owner and that if that is the case, the already-stated concerns may help to explain why.
        What has Simon ever done to suggest that? I mean honestly? Who has he refused to pay? To me the RFA thing is a silly standard to have, but it doesn't tell me he isn't willing to pay, it's just saying he has a certain standard to live by. I don't agree with it, but I respect his right to hold that opinion.

        Fretting over our ownership is just flat out silly IMO, it's like looking for fly **** in pepper.

        Everybody's acting like we just hired Donnie and made him president and GM when that isn't even close to being the case.


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        • #49
          Re: NY Daily News: Walsh is officially back with the Pacers...

          The whole RFA thing is stupid to me. DO you really overpay? No. Because if you want that player and are prepared to offer him a contract then you are obvious comfortable with that. Overpaying is a concept that is brought about by people outside of an organization.
          You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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          • #50
            Re: NY Daily News: Walsh is officially back with the Pacers...

            Originally posted by Young View Post

            My initial reaction to this is I don't like it one bit.

            Simon and Bird haven't had their meeting yet after "3 weeks". Seems odd to me no meeting, but Walsh is re-hired. What's the hold up? It's like Simon is treating Bird as an after thought.

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            • #51
              Re: NY Daily News: Walsh is officially back with the Pacers...

              Originally posted by rm1369 View Post
              Are you suggesting I should be happy with a nice little team that plays hard and looks good, but can never really compete with the big boys? If so, then we may just be different types of fans. And I don't mean that in a derogatory sense. I actually enjoy watching a team learn and improve if I believe in where they are going. I'm more excited for this upcoming Colts season than any in the last 5 years. I believe in what they are doing. I don't believe in what the Pacers are selling. It kills me because I really, truly would like to. But I don't. This team, IMO, is fools gold. I would love to be wrong. The worst part is we likely won't know for sure for 2 - 3 more years.
              We had one good season. We're not done yet. Man, people are impatient. One good season, and all of a sudden "championship or bust."

              Y'all need to get out and do some yardwork or something. We just had a good playoff run for the first time in years, have a good young team, have made management improvements and player improvements, are positioned to further do so --- and all I read around here lately is how the FO is "messing everything up". Gotta be kiddin' me.

              A front office that contains Larry Bird (the current Executive of the Year), Donnie Walsh (who needs no further introduction, he's one of the best of all time), and Kevin Pritchard is a pretty damn strong FO. Y'all should be thankful.

              I got further advice for y'all --- don't get your hopes up about this draft class or this free agent class. It's weak, on both fronts. We're sort of handicapped on that alone. So I hope everyone doesn't **** and moan when the Pacers don't pull some mega-deal...
              Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 06-25-2012, 11:52 PM.
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              • #52
                Re: NY Daily News: Walsh is officially back with the Pacers...

                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                Yep Walsh is back and any mistake that is made from now on would be his fault once again.
                Yes, Donnie Walsh is here just to be the guy that gets the pie in the face at the end of every Three Stooges Act.

                You guys are over reacting, period. Why don't we see what happens on Thursday before acting like the world is doomed and Hibbert is already in a Rockets jersey.

                Here's my guess Mitch Lawrence names George Hill as Donnie's top priority because he was writing a fluff piece and forgot about Hibbert.


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                • #53
                  Re: NY Daily News: Walsh is officially back with the Pacers...

                  Originally posted by docpaul View Post
                  This strikes me as a separate concern than who comes into the front office?

                  Me, personally... I still think the team is in the building phase, and hasn't actually had the chance to trade/deal from a position of strength. But I'm no more of a Nostradamus than you are. Shrug.

                  I just don't see what our team's long term potential has to do with a story about bringing Walsh in a supporting role.

                  In a couple of years of playoff mediocrity (once it happens), it would seem sensible to be frustrated by our team's water treading. However, we're not really at that place yet.
                  It's only relevant because several people keep reminding me how great the team is - therefore it can't be disfunctional. Otherwise I agree, it isnt really relevant. What is 100% completely relevant is Bird and DWs last stint together. Does anyone want to look at that history and tell me this a great idea? The team had absolutely no direction. I'm far from a Bird guy, but I'll take his single leadership over their combined leadership any day of the week. And yes I understand their roles have changed. That in itself does not usually lead to a healthy environment.

                  I'm sorry, IMO, this is an extremely stupid idea. As with everything else, we will just have to see how it plays out.

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                  • #54
                    Re: NY Daily News: Walsh is officially back with the Pacers...

                    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                    Yes, Donnie Walsh is here just to be the guy that gets the pie in the face at the end of every Three Stooges Act.

                    You guys are over reacting, period. Why don't we see what happens on Thursday before acting like the world is doomed and Hibbert is already in a Rockets jersey.

                    Here's my guess Mitch Lawrence names George Hill as Donnie's top priority because he was writing a fluff piece and forgot about Hibbert.


                    We just had our best season in years!
                    I'm getting tired of all the doom and gloom around here.
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                    • #55
                      Re: NY Daily News: Walsh is officially back with the Pacers...

                      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                      We'll see how awesome it is if/when we pay Hill close to 9 or 10 million a year...

                      Yep, Walsh had a bad habit of overpaying Pacer players before. I bet Hill's agents eyes lit up with $ signs when he heard Walsh would be negoiating Hill's contract.

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                      • #56
                        Re: NY Daily News: Walsh is officially back with the Pacers...

                        If you guys think Walsh will have the unilateral right to sign free agents without Bird/Pritchard's approval then I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I can make you a real nice deal on. Everything in the New York Daily News is fact, and should be taken as fact, nothing is ever said or done via the media to bend or change the truth or it's perception.

                        Heck, Donnie himself said it best, "We are not trading Jalen Rose."
                        Last edited by Trader Joe; 06-25-2012, 11:52 PM.


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                        • #57
                          Re: NY Daily News: Walsh is officially back with the Pacers...

                          Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                          Yep, Walsh had a bad habit of overpaying Pacer players before. I bet Hill's agents eyes lit up with $ signs when he heard Walsh would be negoiating Hill's contract.
                          No where was the word negotiate. Difference between 'lead efforts' (be a front man), and having final say over negotiating.
                          What Trader Joe said, no way DW can just waltz in and have unchallenged control in signings.
                          "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                          • #58
                            Re: NY Daily News: Walsh is officially back with the Pacers...

                            Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                            I can't decide if I'm encouraged or concerned by this turn of events here.
                            I'm concerned but I'm willing to take a wait and see attitude towards it all.

                            We won't have to wait long because I have a feeling that all the big fish will make their decisions fairly quickly. I'm guessing that they know that they will match whatever offer Hibbert gets and they might already have some ideas of where some of the other free agents are interested in playing.

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                            • #59
                              Re: NY Daily News: Walsh is officially back with the Pacers...

                              [QUOTE=Trader Joe;1463011]
                              dle. Two months ago Bird was infallible, now he is part of the group that hires Walsh /QUOTE]


                              You got any proof Bird had anything to do with Walsh being hired? Sounds more like Simon did the hiring of Walsh as an old friend from loyalty.

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                              • #60
                                Re: NY Daily News: Walsh is officially back with the Pacers...

                                You got any proof Bird had anything to do with Walsh being hired? Sounds more like Simon did the hiring of Walsh as an old friend from loyalty.
                                No way Bird agrees to come back if he doesn't want to work with DW. Therefore if Simon wants Bird back, he would have asked Bird first.
                                "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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