I can't wait much longer for a true point guard

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  • McKeyFan
    Intuition over Integers
    • Jan 2004
    • 14992

    I can't wait much longer for a true point guard

    Will we move up in the draft for a big man 4-5?

    Will we trade for a big or a shooter, like the once sought for Jamaal Crawford?

    Will we fail to acquire Williams or Nash in a trade, and then not look for any other point guards out there, even though they aren't quite as good?

    Personally, I am exhausted by the fact that we haven't traded for or drafted a true point guard in years. We passed on Rondo, Holiday, Ty Lawson, and countless others. We traded for a point guard that can't see the floor. We gave up our draft pick last year for a great guy and great addition who is really a combo guard.

    I'm not all that excited about Walsh coming back to Pacerland, but at least he had the sense to see the skills in Tinsley (hard to predict his character.) Walsh also acquired Mark Jackson twice, going only a year without having something most of us see as pretty non-negotiable—a person on your team who can run the offense.

    Bird seems to think this position is negotiable. I'm tired of waiting. I sure hope this is the summer.
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  • Jeremy
    Plumlee Fan
    • May 2012
    • 153

    #2
    Re: I can't wait much longer for a true point guard

    I for one am glad we did not get Jamal Crawford. He's a chucker.

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    • rm1369
      Member
      • Aug 2004
      • 584

      #3
      Re: I can't wait much longer for a true point guard

      I long ago tired of Birds neglect for the position. Rondo, Lowry, or Holiday should be pacers. If Bird is building a star less team, then PG play becomes more critical, IMO, because execution becomes even more critical - you can't rely on great individual play to create something in tough spots.

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      • Peck
        Administrator
        • Jan 2004
        • 19926

        #4
        Re: I can't wait much longer for a true point guard

        Originally posted by McKeyFan
        Will we move up in the draft for a big man 4-5?

        Will we trade for a big or a shooter, like the once sought for Jamaal Crawford?

        Will we fail to acquire Williams or Nash in a trade, and then not look for any other point guards out there, even though they aren't quite as good?

        Personally, I am exhausted by the fact that we haven't traded for or drafted a true point guard in years. We passed on Rondo, Holiday, Ty Lawson, and countless others. We traded for a point guard that can't see the floor. We gave up our draft pick last year for a great guy and great addition who is really a combo guard.

        I'm not all that excited about Walsh coming back to Pacerland, but at least he had the sense to see the skills in Tinsley (hard to predict his character.) Walsh also acquired Mark Jackson twice, going only a year without having something most of us see as pretty non-negotiable—a person on your team who can run the offense.

        Bird seems to think this position is negotiable. I'm tired of waiting. I sure hope this is the summer.
        You know in retrospect Bird never really played with a really good true point guard that I can remember. Dennis Johnson was always more of a defender/combo guard (a lot like Hill now that I think about it although D.J. was far superior), Tiny Archibal was always a scorer. Ainge was a combo guard as well.

        Hmmmmmm.... I hadn't given it much previous thought but Bird may really truely not believe in the position the way that some of us view it. That would go a long way in explaining how he tolerated O'Brien for so long.


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        • Hicks
          Member
          • Jun 2004
          • 53148

          #5
          Re: I can't wait much longer for a true point guard

          Originally posted by Peck
          You know in retrospect Bird never really played with a really good true point guard that I can remember. Dennis Johnson was always more of a defender/combo guard (a lot like Hill now that I think about it although D.J. was far superior), Tiny Archibal was always a scorer. Ainge was a combo guard as well.

          Hmmmmmm.... I hadn't given it much previous thought but Bird may really truely not believe in the position the way that some of us view it. That would go a long way in explaining how he tolerated O'Brien for so long.
          Makes sense. The problem with that is he was one of the best passers of all time at the SF position, and he's assembled this team with some of the worst passers at SF.

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          • OlBlu
            Banned
            • Dec 2011
            • 3288

            #6
            Re: I can't wait much longer for a true point guard

            Originally posted by McKeyFan
            Will we move up in the draft for a big man 4-5?

            Will we trade for a big or a shooter, like the once sought for Jamaal Crawford?

            Will we fail to acquire Williams or Nash in a trade, and then not look for any other point guards out there, even though they aren't quite as good?

            Personally, I am exhausted by the fact that we haven't traded for or drafted a true point guard in years. We passed on Rondo, Holiday, Ty Lawson, and countless others. We traded for a point guard that can't see the floor. We gave up our draft pick last year for a great guy and great addition who is really a combo guard.

            I'm not all that excited about Walsh coming back to Pacerland, but at least he had the sense to see the skills in Tinsley (hard to predict his character.) Walsh also acquired Mark Jackson twice, going only a year without having something most of us see as pretty non-negotiable—a person on your team who can run the offense.

            Bird seems to think this position is negotiable. I'm tired of waiting. I sure hope this is the summer.
            You can't wait much longer? What do you intend to do about it. Bird may look at the PG position differently that most posters here. I think he is happy with what we have there......

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            • Shade
              Administrator
              • Jan 2004
              • 51900

              #7
              Re: I can't wait much longer for a true point guard

              If we don't upgrade the PG position significantly this offseason, we will have zero chance of getting past Miami next year.

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              • OlBlu
                Banned
                • Dec 2011
                • 3288

                #8
                Re: I can't wait much longer for a true point guard

                Originally posted by Shade
                If we don't upgrade the PG position significantly this offseason, we will have zero chance of getting past Miami next year.
                The Pacers have a zero chance of getting past Miami anytime in the forseeable future. They don't even need a PG. You could put Chris Paul on this team and they wouldn't get past Miami. Miami has three Superstars we can do nothing with and not one of them is a PG. Our SF can't guard their SF, our PF can guard their PF and our SG can't guard their shooting guard. If they had Bosh for that series, they win 4-0 but you have to remember that Orlando would have beaten the Pacers if Howard had been playing. They might not have won a game their either.......

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                • johndozark
                  Member
                  • May 2010
                  • 98

                  #9
                  Re: I can't wait much longer for a true point guard

                  I agree that Priority One is a true point guard ready to run the offense. This guard should be able to operate in transition, from the three point line, in penetrating into the paint and either dishing or shooting depending on what the defense does, and in running set offensive plays. Ideally this guard should be at least adequate on defense, not too small or slow to guard the opposing point guard.

                  My impression that our best long-term solution for this position is Goran Dragic in free agency.

                  This video shows some of his skills versus the Lakers:

                  He is still young and shows that he has the drive to improve. I believe that we could have him at a reasonable, albeit not cheap, price. He could turn out to be great.

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                  • yoadknux
                    Member
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 2093

                    #10
                    Re: I can't wait much longer for a true point guard

                    There aren't that many "cut above" point guards out there. you have about 3-4 really good ones in each conference. (Rose, Rondo, Deron, Parker, Westbrook, CP3, Nash)
                    Our best chance of getting that point guard is by kidnapping Nash's family and telling him he must join Indiana if he wants to see them again. We tried to get Rondo earlier this season if you remember but the trade failed.
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                    • Sparhawk
                      Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 6290

                      #11
                      Re: I can't wait much longer for a true point guard

                      Originally posted by Shade
                      If we don't upgrade the PG position significantly this offseason, we will have zero chance of getting past Miami next year.
                      A couple bench players capable of scoring a point or two would also be nice.
                      First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                      • Sparhawk
                        Member
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 6290

                        #12
                        Re: I can't wait much longer for a true point guard

                        Originally posted by johndozark
                        I agree that Priority One is a true point guard ready to run the offense. This guard should be able to operate in transition, from the three point line, in penetrating into the paint and either dishing or shooting depending on what the defense does, and in running set offensive plays. Ideally this guard should be at least adequate on defense, not too small or slow to guard the opposing point guard.

                        My impression that our best long-term solution for this position is Goran Dragic in free agency.

                        This video shows some of his skills versus the Lakers:

                        He is still young and shows that he has the drive to improve. I believe that we could have him at a reasonable, albeit not cheap, price. He could turn out to be great.
                        I like how he can use both hands equally well at the basket.
                        First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                        • CableKC
                          Member
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 36696

                          #13
                          Re: I can't wait much longer for a true point guard

                          Maybe the title of this thread should be changed to "I'm can't wait much longer for Bird to get someone ( at any position ) that can properly run the offense".
                          Last edited by CableKC; 06-24-2012, 01:01 AM.
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                          • 2minutes twoa
                            Member
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 535

                            #14
                            Originally posted by johndozark
                            I agree that Priority One is a true point guard ready to run the offense. This guard should be able to operate in transition, from the three point line, in penetrating into the paint and either dishing or shooting depending on what the defense does, and in running set offensive plays. Ideally this guard should be at least adequate on defense, not too small or slow to guard the opposing point guard.

                            He is still young and shows that he has the drive to improve. I believe that we could have him at a reasonable, albeit not cheap, price. He could turn out to be great.
                            I really do like his court vision and the way he distributes the ball. I think either of Houston's point guards would help us.

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                            • D-BONE
                              Peace Dog
                              • Feb 2006
                              • 15641

                              #15
                              Re: I can't wait much longer for a true point guard

                              Originally posted by McKeyFan

                              Personally, I am exhausted by the fact that we haven't traded for or drafted a true point guard in years. We passed on Rondo, Holiday, Ty Lawson, and countless others. We traded for a point guard that can't see the floor. We gave up our draft pick last year for a great guy and great addition who is really a combo guard.

                              Bird seems to think this position is negotiable. I'm tired of waiting. I sure hope this is the summer.
                              Bold = Motherfletcher! (Especially Rondo, of course, but all given our PG drought.) I'm also tired of waiting, but it' a lot bigger task this time I think, as those three were all right there for the picking. It's going to take some serious wheeling and dealing to end up with somebody of the caliber of those three.
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