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  • TOP
    Member
    • Mar 2012
    • 2473

    Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

    I knew we had to keep Hibbert even if it meant paying him max money and while it was a little hard to swallow, the Blazers giving Batum 46.5mil for 4 years makes it so much easier to swallow and be happy with. I really want to laugh at them.

    Now that I say that, he'll probably have a break out year and score 17-19pts or Minnesota will be dumb enough to give them three 1st round picks.

    Timberwolves would be really dumb to trade them three 1st round picks imo. The contract seems bad enough within itself let alone giving up a bunch of 1st round picks.
    "I have never taken the high road, but I tell other people to ’cause then there’s more room for me on the low road."

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    • CableKC
      Member
      • Mar 2005
      • 36687

      Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

      Originally posted by Will Galen
      I don't like NY either, but fanbases are all alike, just the bigger cities have more people so they also have more knuckleheads and trolls. PD would have sounded just the same if Hibbert would have gone to Portland under the same circumstances.
      I was referring to some of the really "out of bounds" remarks that some of them made that were made by some of those knuckleheads. Even if Hibbert left Indy for Portland....I don't think that Indy fans would have made comments like some of the ones that were made on Lin's facebook page. I will give the Indy Fanbase the benefit of the doubt.
      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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      • cgg
        yawn
        • Jun 2006
        • 2981

        Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

        Originally posted by CableKC
        I was referring to some of the really "out of bounds" remarks that some of them made that were made by some of those knuckleheads. Even if Hibbert left Indy for Portland....I don't think that Indy fans would have made comments like some of the ones that were made on Lin's facebook page. I will give the Indy Fanbase the benefit of the doubt.
        People on facebook pages are morons. The knicks have more people on their facebook page, so more morons.
        "Danny Granger is one of the top players in the league. To move Danny, you better get a lot back." - Larry Bird

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        • Will Galen
          Pacer Junky
          • Jan 2004
          • 10308

          Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

          Originally posted by CableKC
          I was referring to some of the really "out of bounds" remarks that some of them made that were made by some of those knuckleheads. Even if Hibbert left Indy for Portland....I don't think that Indy fans would have made comments like some of the ones that were made on Lin's facebook page. I will give the Indy Fanbase the benefit of the doubt.
          I really don't think any fan base is any better then any other, and I think it's do to the Internet. People say what ever they feel like saying, because it's not face to face.

          Plus it seems to be getting worse. People are saying how great PD is, but it was better several years ago because there wasn't so much negativity and strife. I actually found it stressful until I started putting people on ignore. I still get bent out of shape by some peoples #%&^% comments, and make scathing replys, but you don't get to read those because I wind up deleting them.


          I think this place got stressful for Hicks too, but being a mod he couldn't put people on ignore and had to deal with it.

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          • Sparhawk
            Member
            • Nov 2009
            • 6290

            Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

            Originally posted by TOP
            I knew we had to keep Hibbert even if it meant paying him max money and while it was a little hard to swallow, the Blazers giving Batum 46.5mil for 4 years makes it so much easier to swallow and be happy with. I really want to laugh at them.

            Now that I say that, he'll probably have a break out year and score 17-19pts or Minnesota will be dumb enough to give them three 1st round picks.

            Timberwolves would be really dumb to trade them three 1st round picks imo. The contract seems bad enough within itself let alone giving up a bunch of 1st round picks.
            How do you not take Derrick Williams and picks. I'd have done that in a heartbeat.
            First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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            • wintermute
              Artificial Intelligence
              • Jan 2004
              • 7008

              Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

              Originally posted by Justin Tyme
              I asked this question a few days ago and got no answer, so I'll ask it again.

              What is the Pacers salary with the roster as it is now? How close are they to the LT?
              Hibbert $13.7m
              Granger $13m
              West $10m
              Hill $8m* (I'm assuming Hill's contract is a flat $8m per year until otherwise informed)
              Mahinmi $4m
              Green $3.5m
              Augustin $3.5m
              Hansbrough $3m
              George $2.6m
              Pendergraph $1.5m
              Plumlee $1m
              Stephenson $0.9m
              Johnson $0.5m (until otherwise informed)

              Total $65.2m, luxury tax is at roughly $70m.

              Originally posted by ballism
              roughly 65 mil. Still plenty of room to use "room" exception (2.5 mil) or add minimum salary players.
              Or I could have just quoted you

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              • Slick Pinkham
                Member
                • Jan 2004
                • 10647

                Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                So if Barbosa is going to be player #14, and paid somewhere in the 1-2 million dollar range, the roster is full and we are 3-4 million below the luxury tax. We still have the option of carrying either 14 or 15 players, right?

                Someone could beat out Pendergraph in camp, I suppose.
                The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                • Justin Tyme
                  Member
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 13491

                  Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                  Originally posted by wintermute
                  Hibbert $13.7m
                  Granger $13m
                  West $10m
                  Hill $8m* (I'm assuming Hill's contract is a flat $8m per year until otherwise informed)
                  Mahinmi $4m
                  Green $3.5m
                  Augustin $3.5m
                  Hansbrough $3m
                  George $2.6m
                  Pendergraph $1.5m
                  Plumlee $1m
                  Stephenson $0.9m
                  Johnson $0.5m (until otherwise informed)

                  Total $65.2m, luxury tax is at roughly $70m.



                  Or I could have just quoted you

                  My personal opinion is that the Pacers will not add another player unless it's thru a trade. For some reason ,I have a feeling ownership put a 65 Mil limit on the FO spending. Ownership was true to their word that they were willing to spend money, and they have but with a limit on spending. Again, I'll be surprised if any more players are added unless it's thru a trade. JMOAA

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                  • CableKC
                    Member
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 36687

                    Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                    Originally posted by wintermute
                    Hibbert $13.7m
                    Granger $13m
                    West $10m
                    Hill $8m* (I'm assuming Hill's contract is a flat $8m per year until otherwise informed)
                    Mahinmi $4m
                    Green $3.5m
                    Augustin $3.5m
                    Hansbrough $3m
                    George $2.6m
                    Pendergraph $1.5m
                    Plumlee $1m
                    Stephenson $0.9m
                    Johnson $0.5m (until otherwise informed)

                    Total $65.2m, luxury tax is at roughly $70m.



                    Or I could have just quoted you
                    Since we are over the Salary Cap but under the Luxury Tax......how do we sign Barbosa?

                    I am not sure how this works....are we able to use either of the Smaller or bigger MLE to sign Players EVEN if we are over the SalaryCap?

                    If we are able to sign some Players...how much can we spend?

                    Is there a maximum ( like the Veteran Minimum ) that Teams can spend regardless of how much they are over the Salary Cap or Luxury Tax?
                    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                    • DrFife
                      Member
                      • May 2008
                      • 2372

                      Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                      Originally posted by Slick Pinkham
                      So if Barbosa is going to be player #14, and paid somewhere in the 1-2 million dollar range, the roster is full and we are 3-4 million below the luxury tax. We still have the option of carrying either 14 or 15 players, right?
                      In another thread Vnzla quoted Wells as saying Barbosa has "officially" been replaced by Green and will not be re-signed. The guy I'm most interested in seeing us sign is Mickael Pietrus, who I'd like to see at backup SF, and Green playing mostly backup SG. (I see Lance as 11th or 12th man on this team.)

                      "In addition to their pursuit of Carlos Delfino, the Celtics remain very much in the picture for Mickael Pietrus.

                      "His agent, Bill McCandless, has told CSNNE.com that his client has had a number of teams express interest, but the connection Pietrus made with Celtics players and their fans is very strong."


                      In addition to their pursuit of Carlos Delfino, the Celtics remain very much in the picture for Mickael Pietrus. His agent, Bill McCandless, has told CSNNE.com that his client has had a number of teams express interest, but the connection Pietrus made with Celtics players and their fans is very strong. “I think it goes without saying that he loved…


                      "He’s no shrinking violet when it comes to that kind of stuff."

                      - Rick Carlisle on how Kevin Pritchard responds to needed roster changes.

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                      • Karlton
                        Member
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 254

                        Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                        Originally posted by CableKC
                        Since we are over the Salary Cap but under the Luxury Tax......how do we sign Barbosa?
                        Bird rights I'm guessing.

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                        • Karlton
                          Member
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 254

                          Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                          Originally posted by wintermute
                          Hibbert $13.7m
                          Granger $13m
                          West $10m
                          Hill $8m* (I'm assuming Hill's contract is a flat $8m per year until otherwise informed)
                          Mahinmi $4m
                          Green $3.5m
                          Augustin $3.5m
                          Hansbrough $3m
                          George $2.6m
                          Pendergraph $1.5m
                          Plumlee $1m
                          Stephenson $0.9m
                          Johnson $0.5m (until otherwise informed)

                          Total $65.2m, luxury tax is at roughly $70m.
                          Boy, it just doesn't seem like we added $32+M worth of salary this offseason.

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                          • Pacergeek
                            Member
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 9034

                            Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                            Originally posted by DrFife
                            In another thread Vnzla quoted Wells as saying Barbosa has "officially" been replaced by Green and will not be re-signed. The guy I'm most interested in seeing us sign is Mickael Pietrus, who I'd like to see at backup SF, and Green playing mostly backup SG. (I see Lance as 11th or 12th man on this team.)

                            "In addition to their pursuit of Carlos Delfino, the Celtics remain very much in the picture for Mickael Pietrus.

                            "His agent, Bill McCandless, has told CSNNE.com that his client has had a number of teams express interest, but the connection Pietrus made with Celtics players and their fans is very strong."


                            http://www.csnne.com/basketball-bost...blockID=742757
                            I think Lance will be the backup sg and will see regular minutes. Why else would we keep him around if we weren't going to play him this season
                            Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                            • shags
                              Member
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 6057

                              Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                              Originally posted by CableKC
                              Since we are over the Salary Cap but under the Luxury Tax......how do we sign Barbosa?

                              I am not sure how this works....are we able to use either of the Smaller or bigger MLE to sign Players EVEN if we are over the SalaryCap?

                              If we are able to sign some Players...how much can we spend?

                              Is there a maximum ( like the Veteran Minimum ) that Teams can spend regardless of how much they are over the Salary Cap or Luxury Tax?
                              The new CBA created a "Room Exception" for teams to use if they were under the cap and then went over, like the Pacers did this year. It's worth $2.575 million. They could use that to re-sign Barbosa, because I'd think he could get more than the minimum.

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                              • CableKC
                                Member
                                • Mar 2005
                                • 36687

                                Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                                Originally posted by shags
                                The new CBA created a "Room Exception" for teams to use if they were under the cap and then went over, like the Pacers did this year. It's worth $2.575 million. They could use that to re-sign Barbosa, because I'd think he could get more than the minimum.
                                Although I would prefer to not get any Wing Players, if the FO is determined to add MORE depth to the Wing Positions.....I am very sure that we can get a better FA than Barbosa for that much.

                                I am pretty confident that there will be a quality FA that can be had at a "below Market" contract. Some Player is going to fall through the cracks and will be desperate enough to sign at a very reasonable price.
                                Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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