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  • Really?
    BoilerUpMan
    • Jun 2010
    • 5702

    Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

    Originally posted by Justin Tyme
    Well, he didn't get the 14 mil he told Washington he wanted.
    He is not accepting it currently, he wants more, but it does not sound like he will be getting that.

    I have read that no other teams are offering close to that much.
    Why so SERIOUS

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    • TOP
      Member
      • Mar 2012
      • 2473

      Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

      Originally posted by Slick Pinkham
      worst 8 plays of JaVale McGee (Warning, bad language in link)


      http://www.hiphopstan.com/javale-mcgee-worst-video/


      Meh, most of those weren't a big deal in my opinion. Saluting after a dunk? Meh. Getting triple teamed trying to get a tripl double? Meh. Plus the one announcer was right about him being fouled and I don't know if I would have called him for hanging after the dunk. Running over James Jones? Meh, that was awesome. He looked stupid running down the court the other way but did you see after he came back and the terrible pass his PG tried throwing to him? That play by the PG was more embarrassing. 8 plays in 4 seasons isn't that bad. And if you played for the Wizards, you'd probably give up too :P. But seriously, we could make the longest highlight reel ever of Hibbert having the ball stripped from him. Nobody is perfect.
      "I have never taken the high road, but I tell other people to ’cause then there’s more room for me on the low road."

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      • mildlysane
        Professional Beachcomber
        • Sep 2006
        • 1270

        Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

        Originally posted by Slick Pinkham
        worst 8 plays of JaVale McGee (Warning, bad language in link)


        http://www.hiphopstan.com/javale-mcgee-worst-video/

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        • Doddage
          AIDIW
          • Oct 2006
          • 3779

          Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

          Originally posted by Sparhawk
          I really have no clue what Houston is trying to do. Just insane. Howard will walk and they'll have absolutely nothing.
          If he gives a clear indication that he won't stay, they can just flip him to Brooklyn and get the package the Nets offered for Dwight.

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          • Really?
            BoilerUpMan
            • Jun 2010
            • 5702

            Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

            Originally posted by TOP
            I know this won't be a popular opinion but the McGee deal seems like a better deal than the Hibbert deal. I know people say he's a headcase but I don't know about that... people said the same thing about Bynum and Cousins and I don't think there is a person that wouldn't want either.

            4yrs 58mil
            5yrs 50mil

            29.8mpg 12.8pts 8.8rebs 2.0blks 1.7asts 0.5stls 2.0to's 49.7% - Hibbert
            27.4mpg 11.9pts 8.8rebs 2.5blks 0.6asts 0.6stls 1.7to's 53.3% - McGee 41gms w/ Nugs
            20.6mpg 10.3pts 5.8rebs 1.6blks 0.3asts 0.5stls 1.0to's 61.2% - McGee 20gms w/ Wiz

            He must be the biggest of headcases if the Nuggets would get that much better of a deal for him. He's a year younger than Hibbert and obviously way more athletic. If that's what he walks away with, I'm kind of disappointed by the Hibbert offer. I know we had no choice but that seems like a good deal for the Nuggets. They went from trading a guy that was making 67mil over 5yrs and is about to turn 20 for a guy that will be making 50mil 5yrs and is only turn 24. They're putting up similar numbers as well. I just like the move the Nuggets made and think they'd be getting a bargain with McGee.
            From what I have heard he is a headcase for different reasons than those two, their things are more attitudes, his is more about basketball IQ type stuff, plus he does not have close to their offensive skillset in my view, nor close to Roy's.
            Why so SERIOUS

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            • Justin Tyme
              Member
              • Mar 2008
              • 13491

              Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

              Originally posted by Sparhawk

              I'd say the Nets offer is pretty fair for his production.


              For the production Humphries gives, it's a GOOD contract for the Nets. I'd have really liked the Pacers to have been able to have gotten Humphries. The price was right, and a young player as a starter for years to come.

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              • CableKC
                Member
                • Mar 2005
                • 36687

                Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                Originally posted by Doddage
                If he gives a clear indication that he won't stay, they can just flip him to Brooklyn and get the package the Nets offered for Dwight.
                There's a flaw in that line of thinking.

                I'd assume that Dwight just has to tough it out for a few months....reiterate that he doesnt want to stay nor sign any extension....and the Rockets are forced into a "MUST SELL" situation. If you are the Nets and you know that the Rockets MUST unload Dwight...would you offer that much to the Rockets?

                I wouldn't.
                Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                • cgg
                  yawn
                  • Jun 2006
                  • 2981

                  Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                  Originally posted by CableKC
                  There's a flaw in that line of thinking.

                  I'd assume that Dwight just has to tough it out for a few months....reiterate that he doesnt want to stay nor sign any extension....and the Rockets are forced into a "MUST SELL" situation. If you are the Nets and you know that the Rockets MUST unload Dwight...would you offer that much to the Rockets?

                  I wouldn't.
                  Then they can not have him. They can't sign him outright anymore. There's always the option to call his bluff and see if he'll really walk for less money and then rebuild with cap space.
                  "Danny Granger is one of the top players in the league. To move Danny, you better get a lot back." - Larry Bird

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                  • ballism
                    Over the pond
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 2427

                    Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                    Originally posted by Doddage
                    If he gives a clear indication that he won't stay, they can just flip him to Brooklyn and get the package the Nets offered for Dwight.
                    they can, but i don't think they will.
                    I think they are ready to play hardball till the end, and sell him on bigger money, good market, the Hakeem connection + an opportunity to get some free agents in near future.
                    Otherwise, it's silly. What's the chance that Howard/his agent doesn't push for Brooklyn, at least behind closed doors? IMO, very little. Their best bet is resigning him next summer, like the Nets did with D-Will.

                    Where would he go, anyway? across Texas to Dallas? Cleveland? Atlanta? None of those places will be worth losing a ton of money.

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                    • ballism
                      Over the pond
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 2427

                      Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                      Originally posted by CableKC
                      There's a flaw in that line of thinking.

                      I'd assume that Dwight just has to tough it out for a few months....reiterate that he doesnt want to stay nor sign any extension....and the Rockets are forced into a "MUST SELL" situation. If you are the Nets and you know that the Rockets MUST unload Dwight...would you offer that much to the Rockets?

                      I wouldn't.
                      I think they'd have both Bynum and Lopez available to them, at the very least.

                      But if you are the Rockets, don't you foresee that Howard won't commit right away? This media drama will continue for the whole year. And I think Morey absolutely expects it. If he's doing the trade regardless, I think he's ready to take the risk and go into the next summer with Dwight.
                      Maybe if he gets an amazing offer, an offer that's worth more than he gave up for Dwight, he changes his mind.
                      But he's not going to cut losses and run at mid season.

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                      • Doddage
                        AIDIW
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 3779

                        Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                        Kwame Brown to Philly.

                        Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
                        Kwame Brown's deal with Philly will pay him nearly 6M over two years. Player option for second year.

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                        • joew8302
                          Member
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 9561

                          Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                          Originally posted by Doddage
                          Kwame Brown to Philly.

                          Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
                          Kwame Brown's deal with Philly will pay him nearly 6M over two years. Player option for second year.
                          With the price of avaliable centers this seems to be a pretty good deal!

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                          • Tom White
                            Member
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 5705

                            Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                            Originally posted by Ramitt
                            Larry had the better and classier response.
                            Eh, maybe. But Magic's quote was honest. The current team couldn't touch the dream team.

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                            • CableKC
                              Member
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 36687

                              Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                              Originally posted by ballism
                              I think they'd have both Bynum and Lopez available to them, at the very least.

                              But if you are the Rockets, don't you foresee that Howard won't commit right away? This media drama will continue for the whole year. And I think Morey absolutely expects it. If he's doing the trade regardless, I think he's ready to take the risk and go into the next summer with Dwight.
                              Maybe if he gets an amazing offer, an offer that's worth more than he gave up for Dwight, he changes his mind.
                              But he's not going to cut losses and run at mid season.
                              But that's the problem.....let's say that the Rockets trade for him and then learns that Dwight doesn't want to stay nor sign an extension ( something that we already suspect would likely happen ). At the Trade deadline....why would ANY Team give up a lot of value to the Rockets knowing that they must deal Dwight or lose him for absolutely nothing at the end of the 2012-2013 season while knowing that Dwight ONLY wants to go to Brooklyn when he becomes a UFA ( hence becoming a likely rental )?

                              The only Team that can make a deal with the Rockets would then be the Nets.....why would the Nets give them anything of significant value if you know that he's going to come to Brooklyn regardless?

                              To me, it makes little sense to assume that any Team that takes on Dwight can "try him out and convince him to stay and then try to send him to the Nets if it doesn't work out" while expecting to get a decent package in return.
                              Last edited by CableKC; 07-13-2012, 02:04 PM.
                              Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                              • Cubs231721
                                Member
                                • Aug 2006
                                • 3812

                                Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                                Originally posted by CableKC
                                But that's the problem.....let's say that the Rockets trade for him and then learns that Dwight doesn't want to stay nor sign an extension ( something that we already suspect would likely happen ). At the Trade deadline....why would ANY Team give up a lot of value to the Rockets knowing that they must deal Dwight or lose him for absolutely nothing at the end of the 2012-2013 season while knowing that Dwight ONLY wants to go to Brooklyn when he becomes a UFA ( hence becoming a likely rental )?

                                The only Team that can make a deal with the Rockets would then be the Nets.....why would the Nets give them anything of significant value if you know that he's going to come to Brooklyn regardless?

                                To me, it makes little sense to assume that any Team that takes on Dwight can "try him out and convince him to stay and then try to send him to the Nets if it doesn't work out" while expecting to get a decent package in return.
                                The Nets cannot get him as an unrestricted free agent though unless Dwight wants to play for 3 million total (maybe 5 million if the Nets somehow avoid the tax, but I'm not sure that's even possible at this point). That's the leverage anybody trading for him has. And if the Nets are too far over the luxury tax, they won't even be allowed to sign and trade for him next year. So Dwight in that situation would almost certainly have to expand his options, and the team that traded for him originally and is offering him max money starts to look mighty attractive.

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