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  • rexnom
    Headband and Rec Specs
    • Dec 2005
    • 8726

    Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

    Originally posted by pacer4ever
    You cant win with Hill as your 4th or 5th best player unless you have 1 or 2 max worthy superstars ala Tim Duncan and Tony Parker .
    Is this a rule? I think you can win with Hill as your 4th or 5th best player. Your 1-3 guys have to be near-all-stars/all-stars. And you have to have 3-4 guys near/just below Hill's level.

    Isn't that basically the Pacers' plan? Granger-West-Hibbert as your top 3. Hill and George as the fourth or fifth best players, depending on what you think of Paul George and his potential to raise his game next year. And then guys like DC, Mayo, and Kaman to fill up the rest of your top 8. That's basically what our thinking is, as best I can tell.

    We aren't going to get those max superstars so we build a team a slightly different way, which requires us to have several Hill-level guys. In this case, Hill is especially nice to have because he's a proven hard worker/good chemistry guy and we already have him in the fold so we overpay by a million or so.
    Last edited by rexnom; 07-08-2012, 04:50 PM.

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    • rexnom
      Headband and Rec Specs
      • Dec 2005
      • 8726

      Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

      Originally posted by pacer4ever
      That is a fair point but

      If Hibbert is worthy of a max contract I am guessing he will open up looks for Anderson with a double team. If Hibbert cant command a double team than we really shouldnt be even consider paying him.


      But for the most part Hibbert in the future and now should demand a double team. If teams dont double team than let Hibbert go to work in the post and Anderson just helped the team by giving Hibbert an easy cover down low. A good stat sheet isnt the only way a player can be effective IMO it's misleading on most players ability and talents and impact on a basketball game.

      im not a big Anderson fan at all but if I had the optin of him or Hill that is a no brainier for me. Hill is easily replaceable adding a scorer like Anderson isnt.
      You make a good case. I just think that a four year/36 million dollar contract would make me think about more than a little. It definitely wouldn't be a no-brainer.

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      • Pacer Fan
        Indiana Pacers Forever
        • Feb 2011
        • 4325

        Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

        Originally posted by rexnom
        By how much did we overpay George Hill, in your estimation?

        Would you rather have had Ilyasova, Anderson, or Green at about a million more/year?
        Not sure which Green you are referring to, but I wouldn't want any Green in the league for that money.
        Ilyasova, I wouldn't mind having, but that isn't where the Pacers focus should be.
        Anderson does not fit into Pacers system.
        Hill got paid 10 mil to much. But Pacers are a small market and they want to show stability, so, if they think 40 mil is ok, I have no problem with it as long as they don't deprive improvement to the team because of salary issues. Which, I think they will deprive the growth of the team in salary. With that said, we will all regret the signing of Hill at 40 million.
        Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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        • mildlysane
          Professional Beachcomber
          • Sep 2006
          • 1270

          Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

          I'm sorry, but Ryan Anderson=Troy Murphy....how soon we forget.

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          • Pacer Fan
            Indiana Pacers Forever
            • Feb 2011
            • 4325

            Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

            Originally posted by mildlysane
            I'm sorry, but Ryan Anderson=Troy Murphy....how soon we forget.
            No doubt and he doesn't fit the "smashmouth" approach!
            Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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            • Kstat
              Rebound King
              • Jan 2004
              • 34207

              Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

              Anderson has a lot more fight in him. I've seen him scrap for a lot of tough points inside people don't notice.

              It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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              • Pacer Fan
                Indiana Pacers Forever
                • Feb 2011
                • 4325

                Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                Originally posted by Kstat
                Anderson has a lot more fight in him. I've seen him scrap for a lot of tough points inside people don't notice.
                Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                • LG33
                  Member
                  • Jul 2006
                  • 21070

                  Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                  Originally posted by Kstat
                  Anderson has a lot more fight in him. I've seen him scrap for a lot of tough points inside people don't notice.
                  You wouldn't know it by how poorly he played in the first round series against us, but I agree. He's a better and tougher player than many think.

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                  • vnzla81
                    Member
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 68174

                    Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                    Originally posted by Kstat
                    Anderson has a lot more fight in him. I've seen him scrap for a lot of tough points inside people don't notice.
                    He also good at fighting for rebounds, he is not as weak as people think.
                    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                    • pacer4ever
                      Member
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 17172

                      Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                      Originally posted by rexnom
                      You make a good case. I just think that a four year/36 million dollar contract would make me think about more than a little. It definitely wouldn't be a no-brainer.
                      No doubt it isn't a no brainier if we are talking about just paying Anderson and not choosing between Hii and Anderson. But Hill at 8m a season makes me cringe and is way overpaid . You cant get a Ryan Anderson caliber player for cheaper than what they paid. However getting a combo guard who is good on both offense and defense can be attained for 3-5m a year pretty easily.


                      Ryan Anderson isnt Troy Murphy lets get that straight right now also. Anderson helped his team win and his teams are much better with him on the floor. But Jeff Green and Troy Murphy throughout their careers have made their teams worse Anderson doesn't. Anderson is like Dale Davis compared to the soft Troy Murphy.


                      Again not a huge fan of his game or even wanted him(although I do think he would really help the team and make other better by just being on the floor he would help Hibbert) but I would take him over Hill for the reasons I listed at their current salaries and # of years on the deal and future upside Anderson is barley 24 It's a no brainier between the 2 of them.
                      Last edited by pacer4ever; 07-08-2012, 05:11 PM.

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                      • WhoLovesYaBaby?
                        Member
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 679

                        Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                        Why are we discussing Ryan Anderson in relation to the Pacers? Looks like he isn't coming here.

                        I have seen the Pacers mentioned in relation to Brand and Mayo. Recently anyway.

                        Anyone heard any more about those two?

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                        • Kstat
                          Rebound King
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 34207

                          Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                          There really isn't a possible rumor to Brand, only a list of interested parties. high bid wins.

                          It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                          • mildlysane
                            Professional Beachcomber
                            • Sep 2006
                            • 1270

                            Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                            Originally posted by pacer4ever
                            No doubt it isn't a no brainier if we are talking about just paying Anderson and not choosing between Hii and Anderson. But Hill at 8m a season makes me cringe and is way overpaid . You cant get a Ryan Anderson caliber player for cheaper than what they paid. However getting a combo guard who is good on both offense and defense can be attained for 3-5m a year pretty easily.


                            Ryan Anderson isnt Troy Murphy lets get that straight right now also. Anderson helped his team win and his teams are much better with him on the floor. But Jeff Green and Troy Murphy throughout their careers have made their teams worse Anderson doesn't. Anderson is like Dale Davis compared to the soft Troy Murphy.


                            Again not a huge fan of his game or even wanted him(although I do think he would really help the team and make other better by just being on the floor he would help Hibbert) but I would take him over Hill for the reasons I listed at their current salaries and # of years on the deal and future upside Anderson is barley 24 It's a no brainier between the 2 of them.

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                            • Ace E.Anderson
                              Member
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 18261

                              Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                              Originally posted by pacer4ever
                              No doubt it isn't a no brainier if we are talking about just paying Anderson and not choosing between Hii and Anderson. But Hill at 8m a season makes me cringe and is way overpaid . You cant get a Ryan Anderson caliber player for cheaper than what they paid. However getting a combo guard who is good on both offense and defense can be attained for 3-5m a year pretty easily.


                              Ryan Anderson isnt Troy Murphy lets get that straight right now also. Anderson helped his team win and his teams are much better with him on the floor. But Jeff Green and Troy Murphy throughout their careers have made their teams worse Anderson doesn't. Anderson is like Dale Davis compared to the soft Troy Murphy.


                              Again not a huge fan of his game or even wanted him(although I do think he would really help the team and make other better by just being on the floor he would help Hibbert) but I would take him over Hill for the reasons I listed at their current salaries and # of years on the deal and future upside Anderson is barley 24 It's a no brainier between the 2 of them.
                              If Anderson was so good, why did his stats fall so drastically once D12 went out. I think Anderson is very overrated. He's better than Troy Murphy for sure, BUT he's not THAT much better skill wise. It's more like he's a tougher player with a bit of a higher motor.

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                              • Kstat
                                Rebound King
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 34207

                                Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                                Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson
                                If Anderson was so good, why did his stats fall so drastically once D12 went out.
                                ...because they lost Howard with what, 2 weeks left in the season? Kinda hard to adjust on the fly with that.

                                It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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