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  • 4 free agent centers, who gets paid?

    Just a little side subject while we await the end of the Knicks and can officially focus on the Heat.

    I'm curious what thoughts are on the 4 big free agent centers on the market his summer.
    We have our guy in Roy and I have no interest in going another direction. I think it's a good thing that he's not the only big man out there this summer, it may lesson the odds of some other team running his price up to a max deal.
    So the question is who gets paid the most this summer and how much?

    Roy Hibbert
    Brook Lopez
    Chris Kaman
    Javale McGee

    In past years I think you'd see max contracts for at least 3 of these guys but I don't think any of them get a max deal under the new cba. I think Roy gets the most out of this group but it's possible Kaman nets a bigger contract only because he's unrestricted.

    Living in Colorado I probably watch a few more Nuggets games then most. I'm up in the air on JaVale McGee. The guy has ability but should be farther along by this point for me to think he'll ever be dominant center in the nba. Nene wasn't having his best year due to nagging health issues but I think he'll still produce more in the next 4 years then McGee will, the only question is cost. McGee hasn't even cracked the starting lineup in Denver yet but he's been quoted as wanting a contract starting at $14 mil. I don't see that happening and I don't want the guy but I'll be very interested in seeing what the Nuggets end up paying him. If they pay him based on current value I don't think he'd get more then 8 mil, but he'll most likely get something starting above that. Good game last night against the Lakers though. I'm interested in what anyone else's thoughts are on McGee.

    Lopez's injuries have cost him but if he had stayed healthy I think he'd be the highest paid of the group.
    It's a crap shoot but I think he gets something starting at around 9-10 mil.

    With Roy I don't think he's done anything to increase his value since the Jan. extension deadline. Even when you consider the all star selection, I think that was more then offset by his slump later in the season. The playoffs to date haven't done anything to improve his value either. Great defensive presence and even though he didn't dominate like he should have against Davis, we might not have won this series without him. His performance just didn't scream max contract. I still see Roy getting about the same deal he could have if he extended, something like 4/50.
    Please don't tell me I'm hating on Roy either, I love having the guy on this team and want him to be a career Pacer.
    Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

    Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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    Re: 4 free agent centers, who gets paid?

    Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
    With Roy I don't think he's done anything to increase his value since the Jan. extension deadline. Even when you consider the all star selection, I think that was more then offset by his slump later in the season. The playoffs to date haven't done anything to improve his value either. Great defensive presence and even though he didn't dominate like he should have against Davis, we might not have won this series without him. His performance just didn't scream max contract. I still see Roy getting about the same deal he could have if he extended, something like 4/50.
    Please don't tell me I'm hating on Roy either, I love having the guy on this team and want him to be a career Pacer.
    Unless he has a breakout series against Miami, I agree with this. He will get paid because he is big and because he can be very effective (as opposed to some guys in the past who got paid just for being big). However, if the FO can balance waiting for demand to show itself with not disrespecting and pissing off Roy by waiting too long, I think we can get him for less than the max.
    BillS

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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      Re: 4 free agent centers, who gets paid?

      I think Roy will undoubtedly remain a Pacer. He has said many times that he loves it here and is very thankful to the organization for giving him a chance. I think we pay him well, but it perfectly reasonable, like we did with Danny.
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        Re: 4 free agent centers, who gets paid?

        Well its pretty simple, the Pacers offered Roy an extension and he and his agent turned it down. So its up to Roy and his Agent to bring a tender offered from another team. There should be no disrespect in that.

        Honestly out of those 4, Javale McGee is the most talented. But Hibbert help to build a playoff team, while McGee landed on one. So Hibbert is gonna get the most money most likely.
        You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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          Re: 4 free agent centers, who gets paid?

          The most important thing to remember: Hibbert's agent is David Falk. That dude is getting paid big. End of story.

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            Re: 4 free agent centers, who gets paid?

            Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
            Well its pretty simple, the Pacers offered Roy an extension and he and his agent turned it down. So its up to Roy and his Agent to bring a tender offered from another team. There should be no disrespect in that.

            Honestly out of those 4, Javale McGee is the most talented. But Hibbert help to build a playoff team, while McGee landed on one. So Hibbert is gonna get the most money most likely.
            I'd say that McGee is the most athleticly gifted but his game is the least developed. If the Nuggets pay McGee more then 4/38 to come off the bench, I'd say they made a bad trade moving Nene.
            What do you think McGee gets paid?
            Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

            Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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              Re: 4 free agent centers, who gets paid?

              Originally posted by HickeyS2000 View Post
              The most important thing to remember: Hibbert's agent is David Falk. That dude is getting paid big. End of story.
              I don't think that's as much of a factor now. Agents lost a lot of power with the new cba and Roy is restricted with competition on the market which further reduces Falk's leverage.
              Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

              Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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                Re: 4 free agent centers, who gets paid?

                Roy's probably going to get between 10-13m per year.

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                  Re: 4 free agent centers, who gets paid?

                  Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
                  I'd say that McGee is the most athleticly gifted but his brain is the least developed.
                  Fixed.

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                    Re: 4 free agent centers, who gets paid?

                    I'm guessing that the Rockets are going to overpay him....probably $13 to 15 mil a year.

                    Yes, that is way overpaid....but they are THAT desperate for a Center.
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                      Re: 4 free agent centers, who gets paid?

                      Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                      I'm guessing that the Rockets are going to overpay him....probably $13 to 15 mil a year.

                      Yes, that is way overpaid....but they are THAT desperate for a Center.
                      But the Rockets could just as easily offer that amount to Hibbert next year as well. Who do you take between the 2? I don't know if either team is gonna match that type of offer. Rockets have history of liking fundamentally sound Big man. Hakeem, Yao, ....Hibbert??
                      You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                        Re: 4 free agent centers, who gets paid?

                        Kamen is the only one who is not restricted, but I don't know if Denver will match a high offer for McGee. I would think Hibbert get around 12 mil per yr, Lopez gets close to that, Kamen gets around 10 or 11 mil, and McGee gets close to 10.

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                          Re: 4 free agent centers, who gets paid?

                          The teams to watch with the free agent centers are Houston, Portland and Cleveland

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                            Re: 4 free agent centers, who gets paid?

                            Hibbert is going to get a lot more than he deserves. He's an above average center that will get paid like a star center.
                            That is quite unfortunate, as his new contract would possibly eat all our cap space. I actually wasn't opposed to trading him because I know it would happen.
                            Anyway, Tyson Chandler got $13,107,838 this year, his salary will increase over the next 3 years.
                            Marc Gasol got $12,992,194 and his salary will increase over the next 3 years as well. Nene $13,000,000 for even a longer time.
                            So, expect Roy's salary to start at these numbers. 12$-13$ that will increase over the next 4-5 years.
                            The reason I say that he's going to get paid more than he deserves - well - centers are very overpaid, he's going to get his market value - I just don't think that at any point in his career he'd be a real game-changer, which means he shouldn't be paid like one.
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                              Re: 4 free agent centers, who gets paid?

                              I think they are all gonna get 10-13 million.
                              Hibbert about 12-13 million.
                              Kaman about 10-11 million.
                              McGee about 10-11 million. (DeAndre Jordan)
                              Lopez about 11-12 million.
                              Lopez is kinda a mystery to me. He is injury proned and sucks at rebounding, but man can he score and he's young.
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