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  • Nuntius
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    • Jan 2012
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    Thoughts on Nick Collison?

    Would you like it if we were to trade for Nick Collison during the next season? The Thunder will need to renew Harden and Ibaka and it's quite sure that they're going to get paid a lot so they probably have to trade some of their players. So, if they decide to trade him, do you see us doing it in the next trade deadline?

    Personally, I'd find this move good. It fits Bird's style of doing shrewd trades as well.

    Collison is a great back up.

    Strengths:

    1) He has legit PF size. He is also quite athletic. He is not very long but he is strong and quick.

    2) He can pass for a big man. He is also willing to do it.

    3) He is an efficient scorer. He is not someone that will create for himself but he can finish. He knows how to play the pick and roll and he also has a good mid range game. He has never shot lower than .500 in his career. He is shooting .608 this season.

    4) He is a good FT shooter. Not as good as West or Tyler but when a big man shoots over .700, I'll take it. Collison shoots at .728 for his career and has only shot below .700 two times in his career (and even then he shot .699 and .692 so it really didn't make a difference).

    5) He can rebound. He is not a monster rebounder but he can get the job done. In his career he is grabbing 6.1 RPG in 23.2 MPG. Per 36 he grabs 9.5 RPG. Let's compare it with West's numbers. West grabs 7.2 RPG in 32 MPG and 8.1 RPG per 36.

    6) He is a good defender. He has good fundamentals and defensive smarts. He is great at taking charges. He is fast and can defend face up PFs as well (he did a good job vs Dirk last season).

    7) He is signed to an ingenious contract. During the 2010-11 season his salary was at $13,270,000 (with a salary bonus). During the 2011-12 season his salary is $3,272,997. During the 2012-13 season his salary will be $2,929,332. During the 2013-14 season his salary will be $2,585,668. And during the 2014-15 season his salary will be $2,242,003. This makes it quite probable that they won't trade them but if they get to offer a max contract to Harden they may be forced to do it.

    8) He can make excellent screens. Just watch this:



    Weaknesses:

    1) He cannot create for himself. He does not have a great post game and is not someone that you can simply throw him the rock and expect a score. But he can keep the defenses honest, at least.

    2) He is not a rim protector. He has never had a season averaging more than 1 block per game and even per 36 he is only at 1 BPG. He is a below the rim defender but he is good at it.

    3) He is 31 years old. It's safe to say that he is not going to be our PF of the future. But since we want to win now he would provide exactly the kind of depth that we want.

    So, that's it. I am not sure that the Thunder would need to unload his contract but if they were I really hope that we would take a look at him.

    Enjoy those 2 videos:



    Last edited by Nuntius; 04-21-2012, 07:43 AM. Reason: posted a video twice
    Originally posted by IrishPacer
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  • McKeyFan
    Intuition over Integers
    • Jan 2004
    • 15071

    #2
    Re: Thoughts on Nick Collison?

    I think Hill should keep starting.
    "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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    • TheDavisBrothers
      Lance for life
      • Dec 2010
      • 2434

      #3
      Re: Thoughts on Nick Collison?

      No, I'm fine with Lou. Really that's what it comes down to IMO, choosing between resigning Lou or having to trade something, in order to get Collison back. I think the choice is easy...
      Did you know Antonio and Dale aren’t actually brothers?

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      • TOP
        Member
        • Mar 2012
        • 2473

        #4
        Re: Thoughts on Nick Collison?

        His salary is pretty low. I feel like they would try to get rid of Thabo before Collison just because bigs are harder to come by.

        I wouldn't mind Hawes, Camby or Gray via free agency. You'd think Hawes could be had cheap with the way the Sixers talk about him but I'm guessing he'll get quite a bit since he's only 23 and puts up pretty good numbers. Camby will probably want a lot or be dumb and sign cheap with Miami. Gray... that could be a nice cheap back up to Hibbert.
        "I have never taken the high road, but I tell other people to ’cause then there’s more room for me on the low road."

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        • TOP
          Member
          • Mar 2012
          • 2473

          #5
          Re: Thoughts on Nick Collison?

          Originally posted by TheDavisBrothers
          No, I'm fine with Lou. Really that's what it comes down to IMO, choosing between resigning Lou or having to trade something, in order to get Collison back. I think the choice is easy...
          West, Hansbrough
          Hibbert, Lou

          I still feel like we need another bigger body behind Hibbert even if we re-sign Lou. He plays bigger than he is but if Hibbert were to get hurt or in foul trouble, I feel like we need another adequate big.
          "I have never taken the high road, but I tell other people to ’cause then there’s more room for me on the low road."

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          • beast23
            Member
            • Jan 2004
            • 4842

            #6
            Re: Thoughts on Nick Collison?

            Originally posted by McKeyFan
            I think Hill should keep starting.
            ?

            Nick Collison
            Darren Collinson

            There is a difference.

            I think that Collison is a very rounded player and makes a very good backup. In light of signing West this season, I'd say I'm very envious of Collison's contract. After seeing West for a season, I wish we had done West's contract like that and signed him longer. Maybe something like 16-6-6. It sure would have made re-signing our other guys easier while also trying to sign an additional free agent.

            Do you see advantages of having Collison over Hansbrough or Lou, other than the dollars that will be involved over the next few years?

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            • Nuntius
              Member
              • Jan 2012
              • 35969

              #7
              Re: Thoughts on Nick Collison?

              Originally posted by TheDavisBrothers
              No, I'm fine with Lou. Really that's what it comes down to IMO, choosing between resigning Lou or having to trade something, in order to get Collison back. I think the choice is easy...
              I think that we should resign Lou as well. Personally, I want to keep Fesenko as well and hope that he proves that he should be a back up for Hibbert in the next few games and the playoffs.

              But what if don't resign West? What if we include Tyler in a deal for a star PG?

              Ultimately, I want to keep our squad intact and I'm not the type that want to see any of our players traded. But I want to know our options and fully explore them.
              Originally posted by IrishPacer
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              • D-BONE
                Peace Dog
                • Feb 2006
                • 15651

                #8
                Re: Thoughts on Nick Collison?

                Don't think it's urgent, but if we could get him on the cheap, then fine. In a pinch he could probably log some minutes at 5, too. But I'm guessing if you add NC and expect to retain KF, somebody somewhere is exiting stage left. Tyler? DC? AJ? Lance? Other? Great if it involves an upgrade elsewhere.

                P.S. - I'm also counting Lou as retained in that equation, which you suggest.
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                • TOP
                  Member
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 2473

                  #9
                  Re: Thoughts on Nick Collison?

                  Originally posted by D-BONE
                  Don't think it's urgent, but if we could get him on the cheap, then fine. In a pinch he could probably log some minutes at 5, too. But I'm guessing if you add NC and expect to retain KF, somebody somewhere is exiting stage left. Tyler? DC? AJ? Lance? Other? Great if it involves an upgrade elsewhere.

                  P.S. - I'm also counting Lou as retained in that equation, which you suggest.
                  I feel like we could upgrade Price, Pendergraph and Fesenko on the cheap. I would like to keep them for various reasons(their personalities, coming back from injury, letting them stay in one place etc) but there are better players out there and Pacers are in the business of winning. Unfortunately, those 3 are the first that should go imo. I'd gladly ship Stephenson out first if it wasn't for being young and having potential. Don't really care for some of the bullcrap he pulled. I'd only get rid of him if it's a trade and another team wants him or we need to make room to sign a player. Not sure I'd cut him for nothing. Not to get Collison and keep Fesenko anyways.
                  "I have never taken the high road, but I tell other people to ’cause then there’s more room for me on the low road."

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                  • Nuntius
                    Member
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 35969

                    #10
                    Re: Thoughts on Nick Collison?

                    Originally posted by D-BONE
                    Don't think it's urgent, but if we could get him on the cheap, then fine. In a pinch he could probably log some minutes at 5, too. But I'm guessing if you add NC and expect to retain KF, somebody somewhere is exiting stage left. Tyler? DC? AJ? Lance? Other? Great if it involves an upgrade elsewhere.

                    P.S. - I'm also counting Lou as retained in that equation, which you suggest.
                    A probable scenario would be a trade involving either Tyler / AJ / Lance / pick or Tyler / DC / AJ or Lance that could net us an upgrade at PG (although Hill is killing it at the moment).

                    In that case, we could take Collison and keep both Kyrylo and Lou.

                    However, that's entirely hypothetical and I'll be the first to admit that I'm looking too far into the future.
                    Originally posted by IrishPacer
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                    • TheDavisBrothers
                      Lance for life
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 2434

                      #11
                      Re: Thoughts on Nick Collison?

                      Originally posted by TOP
                      West, Hansbrough
                      Hibbert, Lou

                      I still feel like we need another bigger body behind Hibbert even if we re-sign Lou. He plays bigger than he is but if Hibbert were to get hurt or in foul trouble, I feel like we need another adequate big.
                      Alright, let me try to explain my reasoning. I agree that we need another big, but if/when we get another big I want it to be through the draft, or signing/trading for someone who is a big contributer. I feel like this team needs a big that we can develop into a big contributer or already is one, and I don't want to diminish Lou or Collison, but they are not that. What I'm trying to say is, it should be between Lou or Collison as our 5th big (and I choose Lou) and we still need to get our 3rd/4th big...

                      Originally posted by Nuntius
                      I think that we should resign Lou as well. Personally, I want to keep Fesenko as well and hope that he proves that he should be a back up for Hibbert in the next few games and the playoffs.

                      But what if don't resign West? What if we include Tyler in a deal for a star PG?

                      Ultimately, I want to keep our squad intact and I'm not the type that want to see any of our players traded. But I want to know our options and fully explore them.
                      1. We have West for next year, that's what I care about right now...
                      2. I highly doubt we trade Tyler to get a PG, he's not valuable enough to be a big trading piece, but to valuable to be a little...
                      3. As you already said, it's not like Collison is the answer anyway, so that is a moot point...
                      4. On top of all that, who the hell do you plan on trading, to get Collison?
                      Last edited by TheDavisBrothers; 04-21-2012, 08:28 AM.
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                      • D-BONE
                        Peace Dog
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 15651

                        #12
                        Re: Thoughts on Nick Collison?

                        When I say upgrade I'm talking a move that brings in a top flight player that would improve a particular position. I was going of OP's suggestion it could be an upgrade to starting PG position. Don't now if any of DC, Tyler, Stephenson, 1st rounder, get's that done anyway. But, I'd gladly offer up Stephenson in a deal that helped us somehow continue to improve the roster.
                        I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                        -Emiliano Zapata

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                        • yoadknux
                          Member
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 2116

                          #13
                          Re: Thoughts on Nick Collison?

                          I like him. But won't come here cheap
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                          • TOP
                            Member
                            • Mar 2012
                            • 2473

                            #14
                            Re: Thoughts on Nick Collison?

                            Originally posted by TheDavisBrothers
                            Alright, let me try to explain my reasoning. I agree that we need another big, but if/when we get another big I want it to be through the draft, or signing/trading for someone who is a big contributer. I feel like this team needs a big that we can develop into a big contributer or already is one, and I don't want to diminish Lou or Collison, but they are not that. What I'm trying to say is, it should be between Lou or Collison as our 5th big (and I choose Lou) and we still need to get our 3rd/4th big...

                            So you wouldn't lose Lou to sign Hawes or Camby if that's what it came down to? I think I would. I'm guessing Hawese will get like 8 million but if we could some how get him for 5 mil a season, I'd do it. He turns 24 in a week and puts up pretty good numbers. 23.7min 9.7pts 6.8rebs 2.6apg 1.7blks. He's only making 4 million this year and Sixers fans still want to get rid of him. I highly doubt he could be had for 5 mil but I would so do it if that's all it would take. Would he be young enough for you?

                            I agree we should look for a young big in the draft to develop but I also think we can find a big that can immediately contribute in the playoffs next season.
                            "I have never taken the high road, but I tell other people to ’cause then there’s more room for me on the low road."

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                            • Nuntius
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                              • Jan 2012
                              • 35969

                              #15
                              Re: Thoughts on Nick Collison?

                              Originally posted by TheDavisBrothers
                              4. On top of all that, who the hell do you plan on trading, to get Collison?
                              Well, who we traded to get Barbosa?
                              Originally posted by IrishPacer
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