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  • "Pacers expected to pursue Gordon in 2012"

    Lol.

    This is why I get so excited about Deron Williams this summer. Because the reasons Deron isn't coming here? Are because "oh he's going to Dallas." Based on what? "He's from there, Duh."

    Obviously the Pacers are not going after Eric Gordon. If they're interested in him in 2013, they'd obviously pursue him. But not now as a Restricted FA.

    It does give us hope, because a lot of bad sources, (read: the media sucks) are trying to tell you where everyone is going. Based on nothing.

    Gather your own info, you'll be pleasantly surprised.

    Only Gordon knows where New Orleans sits on his list of desired destinations, but he certainly wasn't happy when he arrived. He had planned to be with the Clippers during his prime, and was openly critical of their handling of the deal, in part because he had been told so many times by team officials that he was there to stay. He found out about the trade while taking part in a Clippers community event and riding on a bus full of teammates, coaches and fans.
    "It was kind of surprising when I got traded, but it wasn't the worst thing in the world," he said. "It was tough to swallow. Anytime you have someone in the organization telling you that you're going to stay here -- I mean multiple times telling you personally -- that's tough. And for them just to up and do that without even telling me I got traded, and I had to find out from someone else in the family, that was even more bizarre."
    The Hornets attempted to lock up Gordon once he arrived, reportedly offering a four-year extension in January and negotiating all the way up until the deadline. Looking back, Gordon said he's convinced the Hornets wanted to wait for the summer -- and the chance to see his true market and match any offer -- all along.
    "That's why things didn't work out at that time, whether or not I wish they did," he said. "It was an offer that we both couldn't accept."
    The offers are sure to be even more plentiful this summer. Sources close to the situation said Indiana, Phoenix, Portland and Dallas are among the teams with interest in Gordon.
    The Mavericks' pursuit would be problematic because they are widely known to have New Jersey's Deron Williams atop their wish list and -- for salary-cap purposes -- would have to amnesty a player (likely center Brendan Haywood) before submitting a competitive offer sheet to Gordon, if he became the backup plan. The Pacers appear intent on re-signing restricted free agents George Hill (a reserve shooting guard) and Roy Hibbert (their starting center), and would likely need to resolve those situations before knowing how aggressively -- and how quickly -- they could go after Gordon (though renouncing the rights to free-agent guard Leandro Barbosa and his $11.4 million cap hold would help).
    As for Phoenix, the future of free-agent-to-be Steve Nash (whose cap hold is a whopping $17.5 million) would have to be resolved before Gordon could be added. If the Suns renounced his rights in order to make a quick move on Gordon, they not only would run the risk of missing out on both players but also lose the ability to go above the salary cap to re-sign Nash in the event that they landed Gordon and the future Hall of Fame point guard wanted to join him.
    New Jersey and Cleveland could be possibilities for Gordon as well. Whichever city he winds up in, Gordon is looking forward to raising his under-the-radar profile. He remains one of the league's most underrated talents, in part because of his injuries but also because he played his first two seasons for the Clippers before Blake Griffin and his eternal spotlight arrived.
    "Yeah, I still think I get undervalued," Gordon said. "I've never gotten the credit as far as helping the team. Maybe I haven't made an All-Star team yet because of some injuries at certain times in the season, long injuries where I missed a lot of games. But at the end of the day, I made Team USA teams just like [other prominent players], and scoring and stat-wise it's just the same. I just haven't been on good teams at a young age."
    Whether he helps New Orleans return to relevance or winds up elsewhere again, Gordon is ready to get past his Clippers days.
    "I'm just happy that I'm able to still play basketball and move on to another journey," he said.
    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1sKryIGzp

  • #2
    Please no.

    I want nothing to do with Gordon and his injuries.
    Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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    • #3
      Re: "Pacers expected to pursue Gordon in 2012"

      I'm guessing with Paul George being the future at Shooting Guard, we'll pursue Deron Williams much more aggressively than EJ.
      It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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      • #4
        Re: "Pacers expected to pursue Gordon in 2012"

        I don't want him.

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        • #5
          Re: "Pacers expected to pursue Gordon in 2012"

          Originally posted by Psyren View Post
          Please no.

          I want nothing to do with Gordon and his injuries.
          Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
          I don't want him.
          I think that you probably are missing his point.

          The reason that mattie posted this is to show to people that the media sources suck and like to present stories that are unlikely to happen. They also like to assume that a FA is likely to target his home town team (that's not entirely unreasonable). However, a lot of times those sources may ignore some important facts that would make this signing unlikely.

          As we all know, Simon is not willing to pursue an RFA. So, all the reports that have us pursuing Gordon just because he's from Indiana are probably BS. That's what mattie is saying, I think.
          Originally posted by IrishPacer
          Empty vessels make the most noise.

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          • #6
            Re: "Pacers expected to pursue Gordon in 2012"

            People do have connections in the Indy area with the Gordon family, and yes, the talk from just about all of those sources is that he'd prefer to be in Indy. So why not talk about Gordon as being a realistic option when just about everybody who is connected says this is his ideal location.

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            • #7
              Re: "Pacers expected to pursue Gordon in 2012"

              Originally posted by croz24 View Post
              People do have connections in the Indy area with the Gordon family, and yes, the talk from just about all of those sources is that he'd prefer to be in Indy. So why not talk about Gordon as being a realistic option when just about everybody who is connected says this is his ideal location.
              It could be his ideal location but as we all know Simon is not going to pursue an RFA. Ultimately, this could happen in 2013 but is unlikely to happen this year.
              Originally posted by IrishPacer
              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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              • #8
                Re: "Pacers expected to pursue Gordon in 2012"

                Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                I think that you probably are missing his point.

                The reason that mattie posted this is to show to people that the media sources suck and like to present stories that are unlikely to happen. They also like to assume that a FA is likely to target his home town team (that's not entirely unreasonable). However, a lot of times those sources may ignore some important facts that would make this signing unlikely.

                As we all know, Simon is not willing to pursue an RFA. So, all the reports that have us pursuing Gordon just because he's from Indiana are probably BS. That's what mattie is saying, I think.
                Exactly.

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                • #9
                  Re: "Pacers expected to pursue Gordon in 2012"

                  I hope to god they dont go after him. I'd rather keep our current PG's then go after him. He cant stay healthy.
                  If you havin' depth problems, I feel bad for you son; I got 99 problems but a bench ain't one! - Hicks
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                  • #10
                    Re: "Pacers expected to pursue Gordon in 2012"

                    Originally posted by aero View Post
                    I hope to god they dont go after him. I'd rather keep our current PG's then go after him. He cant stay healthy.
                    They won't. It's not happening.

                    Also, with New Orleans having an owner now, he's probably much more likely to resign with them now.. .Esp. with his injury problems as well. He probably can't wait to get a long term contract.

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                    • #11
                      Re: "Pacers expected to pursue Gordon in 2012"

                      Originally posted by croz24 View Post
                      People do have connections in the Indy area with the Gordon family, and yes, the talk from just about all of those sources is that he'd prefer to be in Indy. So why not talk about Gordon as being a realistic option when just about everybody who is connected says this is his ideal location.
                      Probably because it takes two to tango. Gordon having an interest in Indy is a good thing. However, that totally ignores, just as the media have, that the Pacers probably don't have an interest in Gordon... For a variety of reasons that have already been well discussed.

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                      • #12
                        Re: "Pacers expected to pursue Gordon in 2012"

                        There's no room for him.

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                        • #13
                          Re: "Pacers expected to pursue Gordon in 2012"

                          Man I can't wait until we stop talking about this, we need a point guard we don't need an undersized shooting guard.
                          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                          • #14
                            Re: "Pacers expected to pursue Gordon in 2012"

                            That is a really stupid article. The last thing Bird is going to do is to sign Hibbert and Hill first. He'll take advantage of Hibberts low cap hold and use the cap space to go after an impact free agent first. We have the right to match any offer Hibbert gets so he's ours as long as we want him.
                            I'll bet Bird has an offer on the table to either Williams or Nash within 24 hours of free agency starting.
                            Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

                            Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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                            • #15
                              Re: "Pacers expected to pursue Gordon in 2012"

                              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                              don't need an undersized shooting guard.

                              Doesn't that describe Monta Ellis who you wanted so badly?

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