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    Odd Thoughts: Boring!!!!!!!!

    Fatigue is going to be the working word for the night. But not just for the players but I think for the fans as well. Have you noticed recently how the traffic on the digest has dropped and several posters who were poster every day multiple times a day are just rarely here anymore or if they read they just don’t post? I think the compressed season is taking its toll all the way around.

    That and this game was a snoozefest.

    For the second time in as many nights our team looked like they were trying out to be extra’s on the set of the Walking Dead as they shuffled through another lifeless performance. Luckily for them John Wall is not as good as Deron Williams or this could have been a night where most of us would have had to have lost it with the performance of the team.

    As it stands nobody can be thrilled with the play but at the end of the day it is a victory once again puts you 10 games over .500% which late into the season is really pretty impressive. However in the bigger picture this now gives you a one game cushion on Atlanta brings you within a game and a half of Orlando. Also don’t look now but Boston has tied Philly for the division led with the Knicks only 2.5 games out. The battle for the 4th seed is going to be fierce. I still hope Philly pulls it out because we match up with them better than anyone and Boston is just a crafty old group of vets. that I really would rather not have to go at them if we don’t have to.

    Here is a question for you. Who actually had the better game John Wall or Darren Collison? Wall outscored him 13 – 5 but Darren threw out more assists 7-2 grabbed more rebounds 5-2 had fewer turnovers 1-5. They both had 4 fouls 2 steals & 1 block.

    There is no doubt who had the better game between Nene & Roy. Until the mid point of the 4th quarter Roy Hibbert had 1 rebound, one. I believe that the proper internet slang for that would be SMH.

    Fatigue is also a factor for your fearless writer as I am struggling to make anything out of this nothing of a game so for the sake of everyone brevity will tonight be the sole of wit.

    With that in mind Odd Thoughts are going to be in bullet point style.

    • Paul George has got to quite getting two fouls to start the game. I don’t know how often as I am too lazy to look it up but it seems like lately Paul has been in early foul trouble often. Once again he was a ball hawking fool with 4 steals so he continues his rise in the ranks of NBA steal leaders. However his shooting touch was off tonight. Roaming Gnome observed during the game & I think I agree with him that he would like to see Paul work on one of those shake & bake moves that doesn’t end up with him moving away from the basket for a fade away shot.

    • Darren Collison was atrocious from the field but he did have a quiet but effective overall game. If I were to answer my own question I would say he outplayed John Wall.

    • Roy better be happy he hit those free throws and grabbed that rebound to seal the game because other than that this is not what you would call his finest outing. Obviously players like Nene always give him fits but he hasn’t been this useless in awhile. Let’s just pray that this was fatigue (which is what he is claiming) and move on.

    • Danny came to play, which you could argue that he should have had plenty of energy from the New Jersey game which he didn’t bother to play at all. But given that he shot well from the field and was working on the glass. I don’t like it when he shoots 5 three point shots in a game but when he hits 3 it’s hard to argue against him.

    • Speaking of three point shots I like the fact that George Hill can hit them but at the end of the day I don’t want him relying to heavily on that shot. Tonight wasn’t really an issue but overall I think he has a tendency to fall in love with. But he did hit all of his free throws which is more than we can say for Tyler & Barbosa & he did play solid defensively.

    • West had a solid outing, not spectacular but solid. I thought he pulled his hamstring in the 4th quarter because he grabbed it and left the floor and walked to the locker room but he came right back out.

    • Tyler was a mixed bag of nuts tonight. He was aggressive and got to the line a lot, however he was hideous from the strip only hitting 4 of 8. Also I have no idea what has happened to him here but again tonight he could only grab 2 more rebounds than I did. I know Lou gets a lot of them but dang you would think somebody like him would grab at least 6 every game.

    • Barbosa is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get. He is the definition of streaky and there are going to be nights when he carries us (like vs. the Heat) and then there will be other nights you will wonder if he will ever hit another shot. As an example he looks to have a pure free throw shooting form, yet tonight missed both and missed them badly. He did hit the glass so he at least understands when your shot is not dropping do something else to help the club.

    • Dahntay Jones & Lou Amundson. Meh……

    We won this game because we hit more free throws than they attempted because other than that they had us beat in the majority of the hustle stats (rebounding, shot blocking) so we have got to get to work on those things again. But like I said fatigue is a legitimate excuse for some of this.

    Also I don’t care how many people they say they had in the building there was only around 8-9 thousand there. This was one of the lowest attended games yet, which is not to be shocking because it is the Wizards and it was a Thursday game.

    The road ahead does not get any easier as we are about to enter the Texas two step and Naptown Seth is joining the club on the road.

    Also because we are about 2 games behind several other clubs in games played we are not going to be making up for it with no consecutive days off between games the rest of the year.



    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13
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    Re: Odd Thoughts: Boring!!!!!!!!

    The board fatigue point you raise is so interesting. I think I've missed more games this past week and a half than I had prior to the trading deadline.

    The shortened schedule oversaturates the entertainment experience. A reason the NFL works so well is the week between games.

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    • #3
      Re: Odd Thoughts: Boring!!!!!!!!

      great question.

      but darren collison def. outplayed wall during this game. walls higher turnovers cancels out the point differential of 13-5. a lot of collisons shots rimmed out. and they were good looks. you wont see it with the points but collison looked like a leader out there today. and usually he shoots better.

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      • #4
        Re: Odd Thoughts: Boring!!!!!!!!

        It wasn't a very good game, but it's better then losing!
        Did you know Antonio and Dale aren’t actually brothers?

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        • #5
          Re: Odd Thoughts: Boring!!!!!!!!

          all this talk about board fatigue and the pacers fan attendance sucking that you would think it all becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. I mean indiana gets what it really wants.... --- rid of the pacers.

          but the long term talent on this team is outstanding (with paul george, roy hibbert, darren collison, george hill). it will be interesting to think about the teams future. and thats what keeps me coming back to it.

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          • #6
            Re: Odd Thoughts: Boring!!!!!!!!

            Is it just me that thinks the refereeing last night was atrocious? Over the past couple of weeks there seems to have been a definite downturn in the quality of the NBA refereeing (which wasn't very good to begin with).

            There was a Paul George lay in that was prefigured with a defender doing chinups on his forearm in open court and in plain view for all to see that was amazingly ignored. Several of us in Area 55 were shaking our heads in disbelief that there was no "and one".

            The officiating last night was just plain awful (or offal, if you want to get scatalogical)

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            • #7
              Leandro Barbosa

              I haven't had one bad thing to say about him yet.. And I'm still not sure I am but.. Barbosa took a shot 4 straight possesions and im pretty sure like 5 out of our last 6 or 7 overall to end the first half... Without attempting a pass.

              Now Idk what I really expect from my bench players... Dahntay, Tyler, GH, barbs, Lou.. But is a little ball movement too much? In all fairness it is a team wide epidemic, it just seems more pronounced from the bench as a whole.

              Couldnt agree more about the game. Total snoozefest.. Tried to watch as little as possible and unfortunately still watched most of it, no thanks to our blue n gold.
              I'll take the W everyday of the week mind you.
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              • #8
                Re: Odd Thoughts: Boring!!!!!!!!

                I don't know about the game being "boring". I guess, because it was Washington, everyone anticipated an easy blowout.

                For me, it was a nasty, grind-it-out sort of game that either team could have won. I felt frustrated, but I thought it was pretty intense. If our opponent was a .500+ team, I think a lot of people would be going home talking about how hard everyone played and what a "terrific NBA experience" it was (to quote from the always bubbly and effervescent NBA Commish David Stern).

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                • #9
                  Re: Odd Thoughts: Boring!!!!!!!!

                  Yep I'm ready for the playoffs, at this point I'm only watching the good games, non playoffs teams are out of my schedule unless they are playing the Pacers and games like yesterday are making me think hard about that strategy.
                  @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Odd Thoughts: Boring!!!!!!!!

                    When the schedule is so compacted that even the hardest of hard core fans (ie, this board) are tired of just watching the games, how do you think the players feel. Yes, I know, everyone has to deal with it, but I've yet to see someone present evidence that the Pacers are handling it worse than anyone else.

                    In fact, with a quick look at the standings, we're right there with Orlando, Atlanta, and the two LA teams. When you factor in the home/road disparity, we're actually ahead of all them. I would say San Antonio's the only team that has been able to succeed against the schedule, by doing things that we're frankly incapable of doing with our young roster.

                    But forgive me for looking at the forest instead of the trees. Let's get back to replacing Vogel with Brian Shaw.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Odd Thoughts: Boring!!!!!!!!

                      Originally posted by IndyHoya View Post
                      Is it just me that thinks the refereeing last night was atrocious? Over the past couple of weeks there seems to have been a definite downturn in the quality of the NBA refereeing (which wasn't very good to begin with).

                      There was a Paul George lay in that was prefigured with a defender doing chinups on his forearm in open court and in plain view for all to see that was amazingly ignored. Several of us in Area 55 were shaking our heads in disbelief that there was no "and one".

                      The officiating last night was just plain awful (or offal, if you want to get scatalogical)
                      Either the refs are in "playoff" shape , or they are just as fatigued as the players and fans are, if not more.
                      "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                      "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                      • #12
                        Re: Odd Thoughts: Boring!!!!!!!!

                        Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
                        Either the refs are in "playoff" shape , or they are just as fatigued as the players and fans are, if not more.
                        Could be. They were pretty bad last night, IMHO. Maybe everybody's dragging.

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                          Re: Odd Thoughts: Boring!!!!!!!!

                          Originally posted by Kegboy View Post
                          When the schedule is so compacted that even the hardest of hard core fans (ie, this board) are tired of just watching the games, how do you think the players feel. Yes, I know, everyone has to deal with it, but I've yet to see someone present evidence that the Pacers are handling it worse than anyone else.

                          In fact, with a quick look at the standings, we're right there with Orlando, Atlanta, and the two LA teams. When you factor in the home/road disparity, we're actually ahead of all them. I would say San Antonio's the only team that has been able to succeed against the schedule, by doing things that we're frankly incapable of doing with our young roster.

                          But forgive me for looking at the forest instead of the trees. Let's get back to replacing Vogel with Brian Shaw.

                          This is almost.....sun-shiney?

                          My posting has dropped dramatically over the past month or so and I feel like a **** because it's left ATC to handle all the game threads. Unfortunately, work is getting very busy for me right now, so I don't have as much time to post.

                          Plus, that New Jersey game is just really sticking in my craw right now as is our less than impressive record against the East.


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                          • #14
                            Re: Odd Thoughts: Boring!!!!!!!!

                            I think the scouting report on Barbosa when we got him was that he was really streaky. In that case I am not surprised.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Odd Thoughts: Boring!!!!!!!!

                              Originally posted by duke dynamite View Post
                              I think the scouting report on Barbosa when we got him was that he was really streaky. In that case I am not surprised.
                              My guess is Frank's given him a free pass to take his shots. If Frank doesn't like what he's doing, I'm sure he'll let Barbosa know. I think he wants to see what Leandro does for a while before deciding whether or not to rein him in.

                              Dahntay was taking a lot of shots before and Frank rode with it a while and then he suddenly became a bit more selective. I think Frank has something to do with that.

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