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  • russkiy
    Member
    • Feb 2004
    • 42

    #1

    Please Start George Hill at point guard

    I know that we lost two game to New York and I think the point guard defense is our problem. I like Collison, but his hight is allowing other team starting point guard to dominate at the beginng of the game. If he comes of the bench, he will be able to play agains reserve point guard and maybe even increase his production. I think ot it time for the change. Allow Hill to make another team poinguard to be uncomfortable from the get go.
  • D-BONE
    Peace Dog
    • Feb 2006
    • 15693

    #2
    Re: Please Start George Hill at point guard

    I agree, but simply from the standpoint of what do we have to lose at this point? If it doesn't work after a few game, DC can always be reinserted.
    I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

    -Emiliano Zapata

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    • OlBlu
      Banned
      • Dec 2011
      • 3288

      #3
      Re: Please Start George Hill at point guard

      Originally posted by russkiy
      I know that we lost two game to New York and I think the point guard defense is our problem. I like Collison, but his hight is allowing other team starting point guard to dominate at the beginng of the game. If he comes of the bench, he will be able to play agains reserve point guard and maybe even increase his production. I think ot it time for the change. Allow Hill to make another team poinguard to be uncomfortable from the get go.
      Do you think that will make Granger go better than 5 for 15 from the field and 1 for 6 from three point land? Granger is the key, not Collison......

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      • russkiy
        Member
        • Feb 2004
        • 42

        #4
        Re: Please Start George Hill at point guard

        I belive defense on point guard is very inportent. Granger's scoring can be offset by Roy and/or others. But stopping the starting point guard is a problem for a while now. Not much you can do about that.


        Originally posted by OlBlu
        Do you think that will make Granger go better than 5 for 15 from the field and 1 for 6 from three point land? Granger is the key, not Collison......

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        • LetsTalkPacers
          Banned
          • Apr 2007
          • 1146

          #5
          Re: Please Start George Hill at point guard

          its hard to guard a guy that doesn't have to adhere to the traveling violation set in place by the NBA.

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          • sportfireman
            Member
            • Jul 2009
            • 1533

            #6
            Re: Please Start George Hill at point guard

            Originally posted by LetsTalkPacers
            its hard to guard a guy that doesn't have to adhere to the traveling violation set in place by the NBA.
            ok fair enough against Lin....but he gets beat most nights.
            I'm not perfect and neither are you.

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            • Ownagedood
              Dood.
              • Jan 2008
              • 2638

              #7
              Re: Please Start George Hill at point guard

              Please dont. Some of you people don't get the big picture.

              You can't have a 6th man tweener guard who excells at SG move into the starting PG spot without having more negatives than positives. It's working pretty well as is. We're Indiana, not a big market team, your gonna have to have a weak spot somewhere. You make the problem worse by changing the starting line like that.
              Last edited by Ownagedood; 03-18-2012, 11:07 AM.

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              • vnzla81
                Member
                • Jul 2008
                • 69523

                #8
                Re: Please Start George Hill at point guard

                Originally posted by Ownagedood
                Please dont. Some of you people don't get the big picture.

                You can't have a 6th man tweener guard who excells at SG move into the starting PG spot without having more negatives than positives. It's working pretty well as is. We're Indiana, not a big market team, your gonna have to have a weak spot somewhere. You make the problem worse by changing the starting line like that.

                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                • BlueNGold
                  Banned
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 32249

                  #9
                  Re: Please Start George Hill at point guard

                  Originally posted by Ownagedood
                  Please dont. Some of you people don't get the big picture.

                  You can't have a 6th man tweener guard who excells at SG move into the starting PG spot without having more negatives than positives. It's working pretty well as is. We're Indiana, not a big market team, your gonna have to have a weak spot somewhere. You make the problem worse by changing the starting line like that.
                  Jamaal Tinsley, and I'm not a fan of his, was a far better PG. Mark Jackson was clearly a much better PG. We've had better and/or mature talent at most positions on the team in fact. The team in the late 90's didn't have much of a weakness. JO/Artest's team was probably more talented than the late 90's team and very solid. No, I don't believe Indy needs to have a weak spot. We may not draw Laker and Celtic talent...maybe not Chicago and Miami either...but we can and will get better than this.

                  Edit: as to whether the problem is worse by changing the starting lineup, I'm leaving that to Vogel to decide. Chemistry is at stake with that type of move and a trade might be a better option...depending.
                  Last edited by BlueNGold; 03-18-2012, 11:31 AM.

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                  • rel
                    Go Paytherth!
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 1836

                    #10
                    Re: Please Start George Hill at point guard

                    Originally posted by Ownagedood
                    Please dont. Some of you people don't get the big picture.

                    You can't have a 6th man tweener guard who excells at SG move into the starting PG spot without having more negatives than positives. It's working pretty well as is. We're Indiana, not a big market team, your gonna have to have a weak spot somewhere. You make the problem worse by changing the starting line like that.
                    pretty well as is? Why do we have to settle with a weak spot? what kind of mentality is that?

                    and it's not like Darren is much of a point to begin with...the guy doesn't even average 5 assists. The only thing he brings to the O is limited scoring or he'll pass it to Paul who'll find Roy or David down low himself. At least with Hill, you're guaranteed more stops on D and has the potential to be more of a scoring threat. I'd say distributing is a moot point because they're both scoring guards...

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                    • PR07
                      Member
                      • Jun 2006
                      • 7288

                      #11
                      Re: Please Start George Hill at point guard

                      There's a lot of blame to go around on this, it's not just Collison. Plus, I think too many people put too much stock into who starts, it's about total minutes and who closes.

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                      • Ownagedood
                        Dood.
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 2638

                        #12
                        Re: Please Start George Hill at point guard

                        Ya, I get you want a better PG.. I would like one too. But what im saying is making a change with the players we already have isn't the answer. DC is a better PG than GH and he has more overall skills than Price. Our rotation is pretty good as is, if you change it, it's liable to get worse. There really isn't much of a way you can tweak it to make it better with the players we have. We can make a change in the off-season, but let's not try and take DC out of the lineup just because ppl don't like him, he's our most talented PG on the roster. Just bring GH in for spot mins at PG and put Price as the main backup, with GH and Barbosa backing up the 2.

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                        • BlueNGold
                          Banned
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 32249

                          #13
                          Re: Please Start George Hill at point guard

                          Originally posted by Ownagedood
                          Ya, I get you want a better PG.. I would like one too. But what im saying is making a change with the players we already have isn't the answer. DC is a better PG than GH and he has more overall skills than Price. Our rotation is pretty good as is, if you change it, it's liable to get worse. There really isn't much of a way you can tweak it to make it better with the players we have. We can make a change in the off-season, but let's not try and take DC out of the lineup just because ppl don't like him, he's our most talented PG on the roster. Just bring GH in for spot mins at PG and put Price as the main backup, with GH and Barbosa backing up the 2.
                          It might not be the time to do it. So I agree with that. We do not want to upset chemistry which remains good. We will continue to win some games this year and have a shot at a better post season.

                          But DC is not a better PG than George Hill. This is primarily because George is a much better defender and isn't so small. Offensively, I would also give the edge to George but that's purely my opinion. I think it goes without saying that a move has to be made this summer. IOW, this is the last year you are going to see DC start...unless we a) don't find a replacement AND b) George Hill walks.

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                          • rel
                            Go Paytherth!
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 1836

                            #14
                            Re: Please Start George Hill at point guard

                            Originally posted by Ownagedood
                            Ya, I get you want a better PG.. I would like one too. But what im saying is making a change with the players we already have isn't the answer. DC is a better PG than GH and he has more overall skills than Price. Our rotation is pretty good as is, if you change it, it's liable to get worse. There really isn't much of a way you can tweak it to make it better with the players we have. We can make a change in the off-season, but let's not try and take DC out of the lineup just because ppl don't like him, he's our most talented PG on the roster. Just bring GH in for spot mins at PG and put Price as the main backup, with GH and Barbosa backing up the 2.
                            yes I understand that we're dealing with players that were already on the team...but when the people who play WITH them on the court completely change, it can make a difference. You never know, Hill may be able to do more with the starting unit and I feel (especially with Barbosa now) DC would play better with the second unit. I understand its 'liable to get worse' but it's not like we've been doing that great as of late. Why not at least try it out and it may potentially work out

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                            • LA_Confidential
                              The Nite Owl
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 1821

                              #15
                              Re: Please Start George Hill at point guard

                              I want an upgrade at the point as bad as the next fan but now is not the time to start Hill. The reason I say that is because I feel the Pagers absolutely must re-sigh both he and Barbosa. If starts the automatically we are giving other teams the green light to offer him stupid money that would be harder to match.

                              If we could keep both Hill and Barbosa for somewhere between the 4-6mil range that keeps our bench in tact. Then we need to find the best trade for a starting caliber point guard we can get with DC Tyler and our 1st as the main bargaining chips.

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