Yahoo Sports' Marc Spears: Pacers acquiring Barbosa

[NapTonius Monk]

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It's definitely a move of last resort. That doesn't mean that it doesn't make us better. Low risk, medium reward, I think.

I don't necessarily think so. We weren't under the pressure to 'do something, be damned' as at times before. I think Barbosa is a player they liked. Mayo wasn't available; not too much of a drop off from Crawford to Barbosa. I think I MIGHT have liked Nick Young a bit better, but I'm not too certain about that either. I admit, I would have been excited about Ka(ve)man being here, but Amundson/Hansbrough is bringing a 'Davis Boys' toughness tandem to the second unit that I'm really vibing!

[vnzla81]

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frankly it is another move that scares the living ..... out of me.

Why? You wanted to draft somebody with that pick or something? I'm sorry but I don't see a downside here, worried about DJ's,AJ's and Lance's Playing time? bench them all for all I care, Barbosa is better than either one of those guys and he is probably better than Hill and DC also.

[Brad8888]

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And if we want to remember the old times we can go with this lineup:

DC,AJ,Barbosa,Hill, Dahntay .......... come on don't lie I know you like it

Fixed to maximize small ball impact and lack of team play while minimizing offensive effectiveness.

[tadscout]

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Well what does this trade change or were you already this scared?

Able hates Bird with a passion... so pretty much anything Bird does is horrible to him. At least that's the sense I've gotten my years here.

[RamBo_Lamar]

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We just got Barbosa for a second round draft pick? Anyone who doesn't think this is
a great deal has got to be freakin nuts.

Awesome!!!

[rexnom]

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This seems like a move of last resort to me. Barbosa does not fit anything Indiana does, but he was in the bargain bin so they rolled the dice on him anyhow.

It kinda sorta makes sense if they intend on starting Hill, but if they don't, I can't see any scenario where a Hill/Barbosa bench tandem succeeds.

It's definitely a move of last resort. That doesn't mean that it doesn't make us better. Low risk, medium reward, I think.

[ilive4sports]

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I am way to dumb for that; takes ages before I understand what they doing with that ball to begin with.

1: Hill != PG Hill = SG
2: Jones !=SG Jones = SF
3: AJ != SG AJ = PG
4: LB != PG LB = SG

If you want a pointguard, get one, yes it is that simple, it don't have to be for free,if it improves your team, you can pay a price.
If you want a PF; see above.

just imagine the defense the second unit is going to produce;

DC (since you all want Hill to start as pg)
Barbosa
DJ?? if so at least one who plays def
Tyler
Lou; woohoo another one who plays def.

No matter when you play him, you cant play him at the same time as Tyler, or West, with Roy, since it would take Roy out of the game in foultrouble, neither West nor Tyler are inclined to play help defense, LB is an open door policy, so who can deal with it /

frankly it is another move that scares the living ..... out of me.

Well what does this trade change or were you already this scared?

[Pig Nash]

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I wasn't sold on the trade, but since it is another in a series of moves that a.)able doesn't like, and b.) has gotten us to 25-16 I love it!

[able]

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I totally disagree. The Pacers aren't the picture of offensive efficiency. Barbosa will certainly help in this area. He was the backup PG in Phoenix for Nash and is a capable backup at either the 1 or the 2. He can push the tempo and put pressure on the defense like George Hill and now the Pacers can move Hill to the starting PG spot and not lose that aggressiveness when he's not on the floor. We effectively have 2 George Hill type players and what's wrong with that?

He's an immediate upgrade over Lance, AJ, and Dhantay Jones (albeit DJ is more versatile on defense) so, cut their minutes and give them to him. He's a better slasher and finisher than anyone currently on the team (Paul is getting there but still isn't as good... yet) and although you don't get it right now, you'll soon see that this is a good trade.

I am way to dumb for that; takes ages before I understand what they doing with that ball to begin with.

1: Hill != PG Hill = SG
2: Jones !=SG Jones = SF
3: AJ != SG AJ = PG
4: LB != PG LB = SG

If you want a pointguard, get one, yes it is that simple, it don't have to be for free,if it improves your team, you can pay a price.
If you want a PF; see above.

just imagine the defense the second unit is going to produce;

DC (since you all want Hill to start as pg)
Barbosa
DJ?? if so at least one who plays def
Tyler
Lou; woohoo another one who plays def.

No matter when you play him, you cant play him at the same time as Tyler, or West, with Roy, since it would take Roy out of the game in foultrouble, neither West nor Tyler are inclined to play help defense, LB is an open door policy, so who can deal with it /

frankly it is another move that scares the living ..... out of me.

[NapTonius Monk]

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Yes, because I so want to give up a 1st for a half season rental. My point is make a trade for what you need, not just a trade to make a trade because what you actually need isn't there for a reasonable price.

When Hill was out, he was sorely missed. Not that Barbosa will be THE ANSWER at shooting guard, but he does upgrade our talent level.

[ilive4sports]

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Are we really using the stats where Hill was the PG with teammates like Lance, Jones, Tyler, and Lou with him to judge his ability to be a PG with Paul, Danny, West, and Roy? Seems like a waste of time.

As to the "he's not a point guard", well, if you mean a Tinsley-style point guard, I don't think anyone would argue that he is, so I'm not sure why that gets brought up. He's no more/less of a PG than DC, but he's a better player.

And this was at the time where Lou couldn't catch the ball, not the beast he is today.

[Eleazar]

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I don't get how anyone can think trading a 2nd round pick for Barbosa is a bad move.

It's not like Bird was just sitting back all season and then decided "Oh yeah it's the trade deadline, let make a move". He would've been exploring options all season.

We were after Jamaal Crawford during the off-season. A guy who could providing scoring off the bench. Barbosa is a scorer off the bench.

And when all is said and done - it's a freakin' 2nd round pick. Some people just like to be contrary.

Whose saying it is a bad move?

[Hicks]

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Yes, because I so want to give up a 1st for a half season rental. My point is make a trade for what you need, not just a trade to make a trade because what you actually need isn't there for a reasonable price.

We needed more scoring and shooting. We needed a better bench.

Yes, I would have liked to have gotten a center, but that doesn't mean this was a bad move, either.

[Eleazar]

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Than on draft night you'd be crying that we don't have a draft pick cause we used it to get Kaman, while Kaman signs with the Heat after the season.

Yes, because I so want to give up a 1st for a half season rental. My point is make a trade for what you need, not just a trade to make a trade because what you actually need isn't there for a reasonable price.

[Kstat]

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Why wouldn't it work? Who's got a back up guard tandem that would give them trouble?

The fact that he's an efficient scorer doesn't fit with this team, but that's not a bad thing.

He's an efficient scorer in transition. He's not remotely efficient if you give him the ball in the halfcourt and ask him to generate offense. He's ok as a spot shooter, but is george hill going to collapse the defense and get him open?

The guy is fast, but can only run in a straight line. He dribbles so far out in front, it limits his ability to change directions. Everyone in the building knows once he puts his head down, he's only got one option.

He's not the best defender either, but it's not like AJ Price was Gary Payton, either. My issue is offensively, Hill and Barbosa simply do not mesh. Neither guy is a point guard, and there are no wings/bigs on Indiana's bench that can help them facilitate.

Put him alongside Collison, can I can see Barbosa having a niche as a bench gunner. But since that's currently George Hill's role....