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Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

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  • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

    Have the blazers cut another player yet besides Oden? I thought they still were one player over the roster limit unless I missed something.

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    • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

      Still got 7mil, Pacers may still get a big if one comes available from a buyout.
      Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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      • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

        Looks like the TWolves totally screwed the Lakers at the last second:

        http://twitter.com/#!/christomasson/...02507426709504

        Chris Tomasson‏ @christomasson

        Source: Minnesota pulled out of deal at last second that would have had Beasley to LAL Crawford to Minn, Derek Fisher, other pieces to Port.
        It would have been:

        Beasley -> Lakers
        JCraw -> TWolves
        Fisher + Assets -> Blazers

        But it fell through at the last second...and the Lakers went to the Rockets for Jordan Hill.
        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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        • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

          Originally posted by Pacer Fan View Post
          Still got 7mil, Pacers may still get a big if one comes available from a buyout.
          If the Pacers are under the Cap....does the Pacers get "first dibs" on anyone that is bought out and put on waivers?
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          • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

            I am glad for the Barbosa Trade, but after seeing all the quality players being exchanged today, I am alittle miffed the Pacers were in on any of them.
            You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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            • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

              Originally posted by DemonHunter1105 View Post
              Have the blazers cut another player yet besides Oden? I thought they still were one player over the roster limit unless I missed something.
              I read on Hoopshype that POR may buy out Shawn Williams...
              Nothing in life worth having comes easy.

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              • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                Originally posted by DemonHunter1105 View Post
                Have the blazers cut another player yet besides Oden? I thought they still were one player over the roster limit unless I missed something.
                Cut Chris Johnson, working on a Shawne Williams buyout

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                • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                  Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                  WHAT!?!? Foster signed a 1 year contract for 3 mil. If Bird gave him a PO for next year, he should be fired!

                  Just checked again with Shamsports, Foster's contract was for this season only.
                  We're talking about Fisher...

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                  • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                    Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                    I am glad for the Barbosa Trade, but after seeing all the quality players being exchanged today, I am alittle miffed the Pacers were in on any of them.
                    To be clear....the asking price for most of the Players that were moved was higher than what Bird wanted to pay....specifically a 1st round pick.

                    Let's look at ALL of the trades that went down today:

                    http://www.nba.com/news/transactions...dline-tracker/

                    Nene moved in three-team deal

                    Wizards get:

                    • F/C Nene
                    • F Brian Cook
                    • Future second-round pick

                    Clippers get:
                    • G Nick Young

                    Nuggets get:
                    • C JaVale McGee
                    • F/C Ronny Turiaf


                    Instant Analysis (March 15): After signing Nene to a new deal shortly after the lockout ended, the Nuggets trade away their starting center, who was in the first year of a five-year, $67 million contract. The loss wipes Nene's 13.4 points and 7.4 boards off the plate and replaces it with the 11.9 points and 8.8 boards from McGee.

                    Young, who is putting up 16.6 points a game, brings a new scoring threat to the Clippers, who are still doing their best to make up for the loss of Chauncey Billups.

                    Era comes to end with Lakers

                    Rockets get:
                    • G Derek Fisher
                    • 2012 first-round pick

                    Lakers get:
                    • F/C Jordan Hill


                    Instant Analysis (March 15): Fisher came to the Lakers with Kobe Bryant back in 1996 and were teammates for five NBA championships. That partnership draws to a close as the Lakers choose to move on after acquiring Ramon Sessions in another deadline deal. At 37 years old, Fisher had become a liability in a league with a wide variety of quick, young guards.

                    Jackson returns to Spurs

                    Spurs get:
                    • F/G Stephen Jackson

                    Warriors get:
                    • F Richard Jefferson
                    • Conditional first-round pick


                    Instant Analysis (March 15): Jackson, already part of an earlier trade deadline deal between the Bucks and Warriors, reunites with the Spurs after a shortened and rocky stay with the Bucks. A Gregg Popovich favorite from his time with the 2003 NBA champion Spurs, Jackson provides San Antonio with another solid defender and scorer. The Spurs part ways with Jefferson, whose time with the team fell way below expectations. Now he gets a fresh start in Golden State.

                    Blazers ship Camby to Rockets

                    Rockets get:
                    • C Marcus Camby

                    Blazers get:
                    • C Hasheem Thabeet
                    • G Jonny Flynn
                    • 2012 second-round draft pick


                    Instant Analysis (March 15): Portland's action at the trade deadline suggests that they are blowing up the team and starting from scratch. According to reports, Camby stressed that if he were to be dealt, his preferred destination was Houston, where he has an offseason home.


                    Lakers address point guard position

                    Lakers get:
                    • G Ramon Sessions
                    • F Christian Eyenga
                    • Rights to swap Heat's 2013 first-round draft pick

                    Cavaliers get:
                    • F Luke Walton
                    • 2012 first-round pick


                    Instant Analysis (March 15): In need of a solid, younger point guard, the Lakers make a move by bringing in Sessions, who is averaging 10.5 points and 5.2 assists on the season. The deal to move Walton also frees up considerable cap space for the Lakers.


                    Wallace moves on to Nets

                    Nets get:
                    • F Gerald Wallace

                    Blazers get:
                    • F/C Mehmet Okur
                    • F Shawne Williams
                    • Protected first-round pick


                    Instant Analysis (March 15): Wallace, who is averaging 13.3 points and 6.6 rebounds, is an athletic building block the Nets could try to include in their future plans as they make the move from New Jersey to Brooklyn.
                    Okur, who has been relegated to just 17 games this season because of back injuries, is on an expiring contract and would help free up cap space for the Blazers.


                    Pacers pick up Barbosa

                    Pacers get:
                    • G Leandro Barbosa

                    Raptors get:
                    • Second-round draft pick


                    Instant Analysis (March 15): With $14 million in available cap space, the playoff-hungry Pacers get the backcourt scorer that they needed in Barbosa, who should help ease some of the load on backup guards George Hill, who is playing with a sore but healing shoulder, and A.J. Price. Barbosa is averaging 12.2 points on the season.

                    Grizzlies trade Young to Sixers

                    Sixers get:
                    • G Sam Young

                    Grizzlies get:

                    • Future considerations


                    Instant Analysis (March 15): With the move, the Grizzlies completely clean house of their 2009 Draft class, which included Hasheem Thabeet (No. 2 overall) and DeMarre Carroll (No. 27 overall).
                    For the Sixers, the acquisition of Young, who is averaging 3.5 points in 11.4 minutes a game, adds another wing player to Philly's mix that currently includes Andre Iguodala, Evan Turner, Thaddeus Young and Jodie Meeks.
                    So...assuming that Bird was firm on his stance that the Pacers don't give up a 1st round pick to get a rental....the only Player that we probably could have gotten was Sam Young and Nick Young at the cost that we paid to get Barbosa.

                    I don't know if we could have gotten Camby...but we couldn't beat Flynn+2nd to the Blazers....while taking into consideration that it appears that Camby wouldn't go to Indy given his preference to either stay put or play in Houston...where his home is.

                    So that just comes down to who you'd want...given the price that Bird wanted to pay.....Barbosa, Nick Young or Sam Young?

                    EDIT - Nick Young will become an RFA...and Barbosa is an UFA....how do they count towards the 2012-2013 Salary Cap? I am guessing that Barbosa would have a smaller Caphold in the 2012-2013 season?

                    Given our need for a scorer....it would be Barbosa or Nick Young. I'm okay with either.
                    Last edited by CableKC; 03-15-2012, 08:31 PM.
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                    • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                      Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                      If the Pacers are under the Cap....does the Pacers get "first dibs" on anyone that is bought out and put on waivers?
                      If a player is waived or has a buy out, the player goes on a waiver wire for 48 hours. A team can claim player for the existing salary. If the player isn't claimed he becomes a free agent and can sign anywhere, except to the team that waived the player and the team that traded the player if applicable. I don't know the Waiver order, but I suspect that whoever has the cap to pay the existing salary could claim him. If there is more then one team that submits a claim...I have know idea what happens.

                      Under amnesty, the teams under cap get first dibs and submit an offer. The team with the highest offer gets.
                      Last edited by Pacer Fan; 03-15-2012, 08:29 PM.
                      Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                      • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                        We are 14 Players...so we still have the option to add one more Player to the roster via a FA signing. Does being under the Salary Cap by $7 mil give the Pacers any advantage when it comes to claiming Players that are bought out or waived ( as in we have a higher spot on the waiver wire priority list ) where we can make a run at Kaman IF he is bought out before going to the Super Teams ( whether he likes it or not )?

                        If not....does the $7 mil Capspace allow the Team to make any moves during the offseason?

                        Also...after the Barbosa trade....you have to wonder if the Bird was able to go to Ainge to take on JONeal's Contract at the cost of a 1st round pick.

                        What I am trying to figure out is what ( if anything ) the available capspace that we have ( roughly $7 mil ) could be used for ( if anything at all ).
                        Last edited by CableKC; 03-15-2012, 08:32 PM.
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                        • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                          Originally posted by Pacer Fan View Post
                          If a player is waived or has a buy out, the player goes on a waiver wire for 48 hours. A team can claim player for the existing salary. If the player isn't claimed he becomes a free agent and can sign anywhere, except to the team that waived the player and the team that traded the player if applicable. I don't know the Waiver order, but I suspect that whoever has the cap to pay the existing salary would could claim him. If there is more then one team that submits a claim...I have know idea what happens.
                          Kaman contract counts as $12.7 mil towards the 2011-2012 Salary Cap. If he is bought out for anything more than $5.7 mil ....would he count as $7 mil towards the cap ( which the Pacers have the room to absorb )?

                          or

                          Would he count as the full $12.7 mil even if the Pacers only pay him $7 mil?
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                          • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                            I have a question. I remember reading that the NBA was going to 13-man rosters from this season on. If so, the Pacers have 14, and one would have to be cut. The question, finally, is: Did I dream that 13 was the magic number? Thanks.

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                            • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                              Originally posted by Cherokee View Post
                              I have a question. I remember reading that the NBA was going to 13-man rosters from this season on. If so, the Pacers have 14, and one would have to be cut. The question, finally, is: Did I dream that 13 was the magic number? Thanks.
                              I believe they made the active roster 13, which was 12, while total roster is 15.

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                              • Re: Trade RUMOURS and NEWS thread March 2012

                                Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                                Kaman contract counts as $12.7 mil towards the 2011-2012 Salary Cap. If he is bought out for anything more than $5.7 mil ....would he count as $7 mil towards the cap ( which the Pacers have the room to absorb )?

                                or

                                Would he count as the full $12.7 mil even if the Pacers only pay him $7 mil?
                                Last I heard they aren't going to buy him out (they would've taken a 2nd and TPE before that), the new ownership group want to keep him around in hopes to re-sign him.
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