The one good thing to take away from this game was that it only counts as one loss, even though it seemed like 5.
One lousy quarter, that is what is so sick, it was all one absolutely horrid putrid quarter of basketball. Other than that we played them fairly even, but that quarter was so bad we could not even pretend to come back.
Note to all of the posters on Pacers Digest who just can not understand why the casual fan does not really care about our club, well those who just watch the sports center highlights or catch the score online or somewhere else will only see that once again when faced with a real team we lost by double digits. They won’t take the time to see that in the first half we outplayed them, because at the end of the day it didn’t matter.
Right now we are beating, handily mind you, the lower echelon of the league. But when faced with real competition we have not won a single game in a month and sadly we haven’t even competed.
This game was just the final straw for me when it comes to accepting the mantra of smash mouth basketball, we don’t do it and haven’t now for over a month. We have reverted to being a jump shooting soft interior weak rebounding club (when faced with real competition not the Charlotte Generals) and the Bulls just beat the living crap out of us tonight.
Frankly that third quarter was such a mess that I don’t even remember it all that much, I think my mind is intentionally blocking it out of my memory. But however many time outs that Frank took, they weren’t enough. Yes they had some big three’s drop, but several of those big three’s were the result of second effort rebounds and tips that our players just never got to.
Yes I know never get to up after a win or to down after a loss but this being blown out by good teams is just not good. It would be one thing if we lost by 8 points in a hard fought battle but this game was over at the end of the 3rd (did Rose even play in the 4th quarter?).
So now we get to face the Hawks tonight. I won’t say must win game, but frankly we lose this one and well…. Miami in Miami on Saturday night then going to Orlando the next night just does not bode well for us.
In all honesty I think tonight’s game has opened me up to the idea that while I appreciate the win loss record, we need to make some changes.
I know a lot of people want a change at the point and I won’t dispute that but right now I want another big man off of the bench. One who is a shot blocker and scorer if at all possible, however getting one of those is going to be hard to find. BTW, I’m not looking to replace Lou here; I have someone else in mind to replace.
I hate the Bulls, their fans, the city of Chicago (at the moment) and most of all I hate the king Rat looking Noah. But the truth of the matter is as much as I want to be mad at them and as much as I want to point out the blatant hypocrisy of their stupid sideline dancing and celebrating we have nobody to blame but ourselves. Yes Rose finally got going, but it wouldn’t have mattered if we would have taken care of John Lucas in the 1st. If we would have just won one or two loose ball or rebound tips in the 3rd we could have thwarted this. But no, they simply out played us. They are the better team and I guess this is what you get when you play a better team and don’t play absolutely perfect basketball.
Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying tank it or blow it up or any of the other hyperbole statements that are made far to often, but I think it is naïve to look at the team as currently constructed and think that it doesn’t need some serious upgrades.
Our bench, which was supposed to be a real strength for us, has just gotten to the point that I am happy if they don’t drop us to a double digit deficit by the time they go out. At times one of them will contribute something but far too often we get nothing from them.
In fact I am at the point that I do not think Frank should play them as a unit anymore. They should just be sprinkled in with starters for a few min. and the only time we don’t have at least two starters on the floor is a blowout either way.
I can’t say enough how bad a 20 point loss hurts this team again. Yes I know whether or not it is 2 points or 20 points it’s a loss either way, but
looking at if just from that point of view is naïve as well.
Any thoughts of this series being a rivalry need to be put on the backburner because until further notice they just simply better than we are.
For tonight let’s just do grades.
Danny Granger: D There were two plays in the 3rd quarter that just flat out infuriated me. Both of them were fast breaks. The first Danny went 1 on 4 and missed a bad shot that the Bulls immediately rebounded and scored. The second one is the one that made me almost throw my controller through the TV. He is coming down 3 on 2 with Paul George on the other wing. Danny is slightly in front but you can see Paul coming fast and both defenders are going at Danny leaving Paul wide open or at the very least open enough to get the and 1 shot. In a perfect world Danny drives the lane flipping a pass to George for the spectacular momentum shifting dunk. But in our world Danny throws up some crappy one handed double teamed shot that of course has no hope of going in and again Chicago quickly rebounds and scores. Selfish is the only word that comes to my mind. Well actually that is not true at all, I believe I called him an ***hole when he did that. The way he started out I thought he was going to prove to Deng that he deserved to be in that all-star game when as it turned out Deng proved to him why he should not.
David West: B Surprisingly he was actually very good tonight on defense. He even had a couple of blocked shots one of which was as a weak side help. He also did try and help out on the boards and when he was down low he got the boards in his area. He didn’t hit a high enough % of his shots but then again other than George Hill & Lou Amundson who did. We probably should have tried to go to him more often on the offensive end.
Roy Hibbert: C Ok right off the bat I’ll ask. What the hell was Joey Crawford calling on that first foul when Noah ran down the court and ran right into Roy? How exactly was that a foul on Roy? For that matter how was that a foul on anybody? Two quick fouls and he was taken out of the game. Noah just abused him again physically and with the foul trouble Roy was just a non-factor on offense & wasn’t much help on the boards. He did try as best as he could to be the last line of defense tonight in the second half and that is what is saving him from a lower grade. He had one good game vs. Noah and almost every other time he has owned him. It is so bad that Sam Smith of Bulls.com was making fun of Roy on twitter about Noah being in his head.
Paul George: A- He never gave up. When every other player had their shoulders slumping and heads down Paul was still trying and was giving effort. He didn’t have the overall good game that he has been having recently, but his effort to score and still play defense sets him apart from any other starter. The Bulls just have no answer for him, few teams do. But Paul is going to need help from someone at almost any position for us to not have out teeth kicked in vs. these really good teams.
Darren Collision: D- As they ask on office space “what would you say you do here”? I have no idea what the hell he was doing in that game. He did a decent job of staying in front of Rose in the first half but he hardly stopped him, Derrick was just missing shots at the rim. 0-6 from the floor is not what I would call making Rose work on the defensive end either. It would be one thing if he had dished out 15 assists but his massive 3 assists to go along with his 0 points does not make me want to vote for him for MVP anytime in our lifetimes.
Tyler Hansbrough: D- Ok I know this is going to cause a fire storm but frankly I don’t care. I have been a supporter of Tyler all season long. Even when he was having one of his long extended slumps (that seemed to last all season). But I think I am now ready to move on. Sadly I think he is the player he is always going to be and while he can make some adjustments to his game, overall I am now pretty much convinced he is just going to be a streak player who can on occasion have a really good game but when he his not really good he is really bad. He was just a non-factor again tonight, which wouldn’t be a problem but for the fact that our entire bench and frankly our “smash mouth” mantra was supposed to be centered around him. I can’t make a good argument that Lou Amundson isn’t better than him on most nights anymore. I think we really need to be looking for a new backup big man either a 4 or 5 and if it costs us Tyler to get them, well I’m ready for it.
George Hill: A- Like Paul George he never gave up either. He was hitting his shots and kept trying to take it to the Bulls. His defense was solid and while he won’t be confused with Steve Nash he still only dropped one less assist and 17 more points than Collison did in 5 less minutes.
Lou Amundson: B+ Solid production for a guy who only played 13 min. He was physical with the Bulls and really was about the only Pacer big who was. In all honesty I wish they would have given him Tyler’s min. along side West as he out produced Tyler in almost ½ the time on the floor. At this point in time I think Lou has done more than enough to earn his time and Jeff should just sit and wait till the end of the season or the playoffs. He is still horrid for the most part on offense but you can never say he doesn’t come in like a bolt of lightning.
A.J. Price: D+ His early in the shot clock three point shot attempt in the second half was just repulsive. In fact he should be fined for every time he calls his own number without looking to run another play. Now don’t get me wrong he wasn’t any worse than the starter (that would be almost impossible), but don’t kid yourself into thinking he was good either and his 25% from the free throw line was scrumtralescent.
Dahntay Jones: N/A Didn’t play enough to even consider his time on the floor, or better yet he didn’t do anything one way or the other to make me remember him.
Oh well the only thing we can do is put this one out of our minds as fast as possible and come back and beat the Hawks.
One lousy quarter, that is what is so sick, it was all one absolutely horrid putrid quarter of basketball. Other than that we played them fairly even, but that quarter was so bad we could not even pretend to come back.
Note to all of the posters on Pacers Digest who just can not understand why the casual fan does not really care about our club, well those who just watch the sports center highlights or catch the score online or somewhere else will only see that once again when faced with a real team we lost by double digits. They won’t take the time to see that in the first half we outplayed them, because at the end of the day it didn’t matter.
Right now we are beating, handily mind you, the lower echelon of the league. But when faced with real competition we have not won a single game in a month and sadly we haven’t even competed.
This game was just the final straw for me when it comes to accepting the mantra of smash mouth basketball, we don’t do it and haven’t now for over a month. We have reverted to being a jump shooting soft interior weak rebounding club (when faced with real competition not the Charlotte Generals) and the Bulls just beat the living crap out of us tonight.
Frankly that third quarter was such a mess that I don’t even remember it all that much, I think my mind is intentionally blocking it out of my memory. But however many time outs that Frank took, they weren’t enough. Yes they had some big three’s drop, but several of those big three’s were the result of second effort rebounds and tips that our players just never got to.
Yes I know never get to up after a win or to down after a loss but this being blown out by good teams is just not good. It would be one thing if we lost by 8 points in a hard fought battle but this game was over at the end of the 3rd (did Rose even play in the 4th quarter?).
So now we get to face the Hawks tonight. I won’t say must win game, but frankly we lose this one and well…. Miami in Miami on Saturday night then going to Orlando the next night just does not bode well for us.
In all honesty I think tonight’s game has opened me up to the idea that while I appreciate the win loss record, we need to make some changes.
I know a lot of people want a change at the point and I won’t dispute that but right now I want another big man off of the bench. One who is a shot blocker and scorer if at all possible, however getting one of those is going to be hard to find. BTW, I’m not looking to replace Lou here; I have someone else in mind to replace.
I hate the Bulls, their fans, the city of Chicago (at the moment) and most of all I hate the king Rat looking Noah. But the truth of the matter is as much as I want to be mad at them and as much as I want to point out the blatant hypocrisy of their stupid sideline dancing and celebrating we have nobody to blame but ourselves. Yes Rose finally got going, but it wouldn’t have mattered if we would have taken care of John Lucas in the 1st. If we would have just won one or two loose ball or rebound tips in the 3rd we could have thwarted this. But no, they simply out played us. They are the better team and I guess this is what you get when you play a better team and don’t play absolutely perfect basketball.
Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying tank it or blow it up or any of the other hyperbole statements that are made far to often, but I think it is naïve to look at the team as currently constructed and think that it doesn’t need some serious upgrades.
Our bench, which was supposed to be a real strength for us, has just gotten to the point that I am happy if they don’t drop us to a double digit deficit by the time they go out. At times one of them will contribute something but far too often we get nothing from them.
In fact I am at the point that I do not think Frank should play them as a unit anymore. They should just be sprinkled in with starters for a few min. and the only time we don’t have at least two starters on the floor is a blowout either way.
I can’t say enough how bad a 20 point loss hurts this team again. Yes I know whether or not it is 2 points or 20 points it’s a loss either way, but
looking at if just from that point of view is naïve as well.
Any thoughts of this series being a rivalry need to be put on the backburner because until further notice they just simply better than we are.
For tonight let’s just do grades.
Danny Granger: D There were two plays in the 3rd quarter that just flat out infuriated me. Both of them were fast breaks. The first Danny went 1 on 4 and missed a bad shot that the Bulls immediately rebounded and scored. The second one is the one that made me almost throw my controller through the TV. He is coming down 3 on 2 with Paul George on the other wing. Danny is slightly in front but you can see Paul coming fast and both defenders are going at Danny leaving Paul wide open or at the very least open enough to get the and 1 shot. In a perfect world Danny drives the lane flipping a pass to George for the spectacular momentum shifting dunk. But in our world Danny throws up some crappy one handed double teamed shot that of course has no hope of going in and again Chicago quickly rebounds and scores. Selfish is the only word that comes to my mind. Well actually that is not true at all, I believe I called him an ***hole when he did that. The way he started out I thought he was going to prove to Deng that he deserved to be in that all-star game when as it turned out Deng proved to him why he should not.
David West: B Surprisingly he was actually very good tonight on defense. He even had a couple of blocked shots one of which was as a weak side help. He also did try and help out on the boards and when he was down low he got the boards in his area. He didn’t hit a high enough % of his shots but then again other than George Hill & Lou Amundson who did. We probably should have tried to go to him more often on the offensive end.
Roy Hibbert: C Ok right off the bat I’ll ask. What the hell was Joey Crawford calling on that first foul when Noah ran down the court and ran right into Roy? How exactly was that a foul on Roy? For that matter how was that a foul on anybody? Two quick fouls and he was taken out of the game. Noah just abused him again physically and with the foul trouble Roy was just a non-factor on offense & wasn’t much help on the boards. He did try as best as he could to be the last line of defense tonight in the second half and that is what is saving him from a lower grade. He had one good game vs. Noah and almost every other time he has owned him. It is so bad that Sam Smith of Bulls.com was making fun of Roy on twitter about Noah being in his head.
Paul George: A- He never gave up. When every other player had their shoulders slumping and heads down Paul was still trying and was giving effort. He didn’t have the overall good game that he has been having recently, but his effort to score and still play defense sets him apart from any other starter. The Bulls just have no answer for him, few teams do. But Paul is going to need help from someone at almost any position for us to not have out teeth kicked in vs. these really good teams.
Darren Collision: D- As they ask on office space “what would you say you do here”? I have no idea what the hell he was doing in that game. He did a decent job of staying in front of Rose in the first half but he hardly stopped him, Derrick was just missing shots at the rim. 0-6 from the floor is not what I would call making Rose work on the defensive end either. It would be one thing if he had dished out 15 assists but his massive 3 assists to go along with his 0 points does not make me want to vote for him for MVP anytime in our lifetimes.
Tyler Hansbrough: D- Ok I know this is going to cause a fire storm but frankly I don’t care. I have been a supporter of Tyler all season long. Even when he was having one of his long extended slumps (that seemed to last all season). But I think I am now ready to move on. Sadly I think he is the player he is always going to be and while he can make some adjustments to his game, overall I am now pretty much convinced he is just going to be a streak player who can on occasion have a really good game but when he his not really good he is really bad. He was just a non-factor again tonight, which wouldn’t be a problem but for the fact that our entire bench and frankly our “smash mouth” mantra was supposed to be centered around him. I can’t make a good argument that Lou Amundson isn’t better than him on most nights anymore. I think we really need to be looking for a new backup big man either a 4 or 5 and if it costs us Tyler to get them, well I’m ready for it.
George Hill: A- Like Paul George he never gave up either. He was hitting his shots and kept trying to take it to the Bulls. His defense was solid and while he won’t be confused with Steve Nash he still only dropped one less assist and 17 more points than Collison did in 5 less minutes.
Lou Amundson: B+ Solid production for a guy who only played 13 min. He was physical with the Bulls and really was about the only Pacer big who was. In all honesty I wish they would have given him Tyler’s min. along side West as he out produced Tyler in almost ½ the time on the floor. At this point in time I think Lou has done more than enough to earn his time and Jeff should just sit and wait till the end of the season or the playoffs. He is still horrid for the most part on offense but you can never say he doesn’t come in like a bolt of lightning.
A.J. Price: D+ His early in the shot clock three point shot attempt in the second half was just repulsive. In fact he should be fined for every time he calls his own number without looking to run another play. Now don’t get me wrong he wasn’t any worse than the starter (that would be almost impossible), but don’t kid yourself into thinking he was good either and his 25% from the free throw line was scrumtralescent.
Dahntay Jones: N/A Didn’t play enough to even consider his time on the floor, or better yet he didn’t do anything one way or the other to make me remember him.
Oh well the only thing we can do is put this one out of our minds as fast as possible and come back and beat the Hawks.
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