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Little Bulls Smack Talk for Tomorrow's Game?

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  • #16
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    Looking forward to the game tomorrow.

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    • #17
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      I don't get it.

      So celebration is, in their minds, actually ok?
      This space for rent.

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      • #18
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        Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
        By the way... Joakim Noah isn't even very good. He's just a douchebag who's accomplished pretty much nothing in the NBA.
        I know you're mad but come on dude. The last 3 years he's averaging a double-double with 10.8 PPG with 10.6 rebounds on top of 1.5 blocks and 2.2 assists a game. Not even counting tonight's big rebounding game and in 28 playoff games he's at 10.1 and 11.4 with 2.5 assists and 2 blocks a game.
        Last edited by Asher99; 03-04-2012, 11:44 PM.

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        • #19
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          Originally posted by Asher99 View Post
          I know you're mad but come on dude. The last 3 years he's averaging a double-double with 10.8 PPG with 10.6 rebounds on top of 1.5 blocks and 2.2 assists a game. In 28 playoff games he's at 10.1 and 11.4 with 2.5 assists and 2 blocks a game.
          I gotta agree I don't like the guy, but he is a very good player
          Did you know Antonio and Dale aren’t actually brothers?

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          • #20
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            I just hope Bulls are so "focused" on revenge and how they are going to celebrate that they make stupid basketball decisions the whole game.

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            • #21
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              I have conflicting thoughts on tomorrow's game and how we should handle it.

              On one hand, I want to go out there and have our guys just hoot and holler the entire night, pissing off the Bulls and their jerk fans to the fullest while we get the W. But realistically, I realize that's probably not the right way to go, Lol

              On the other hand, I also wouldn't mind seeing our guys come out with just a 100% COMPLETE "F-You" attitude and play the meanest, toughest game we've played all year with no extra theatrics at all... Just a good old fashioned "You may not like us, but we HATE you, and we're going to wipe the floor with you every time we play"

              Needless to say, I am REALLY sick of the Bulls and their need to "fuel" their competitive drive with the fact this ridiculous "we celebrated too much" crap...

              YOU LOST THE GAME. WE BEAT YOU. And we should have beaten you last year in the playoffs. Deal with it.

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              • #22
                Re: Little Bulls Smack Talk for Tomorrow's Game?

                http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bull...acers-pay-next

                Rose ready to make Pacers pay next
                March, 4, 2012
                Mar 4
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                By Nick Friedell
                PHILADELPHIA -- Chicago Bulls point guard Derrick Rose still hasn't forgotten the way the Indiana Pacers celebrated on the United Center floor after a win on Jan. 25 and he is looking forward to facing them again on Monday night.

                "I haven't forgotten about anything," Rose said Sunday night. "I remember that. They're a good team. I know they're definitely going to be ready. I know we're going to be ready. And it should be an exciting game."

                The Pacers’ exuberance even carried over into the locker room, where several Bulls' players remarked how they could hear the noise through the walls.

                "I'll never forget how they celebrated just from winning this game," Rose told reporters after the loss in January. "I can't wait to play them again."

                Obviously, Rose is salivating over the chance to give the Pacers some payback.

                "It's fun," he said after a win over the Philadelphia 76ers. "It's going to be a fun couple of days, man. Where we got the opportunity to play two great teams that really beat us pretty good. With Indiana, they beat us at home last time. And [I] just can't wait to play."

                Bulls center Joakim Noah also acknowledged that he was excited about playing the Pacers again.

                "We've just got to come with the right mindset [Monday]," Noah said. "We definitely will. And it's going to be fun."

                Noah had a slightly different perspective than Rose, however.

                "Derrick gets hype off people celebrating," Noah said. "When people talk about celebration I just feel like, 'You're not going to out-celebrate me.' Roy Hibbert cannot out-celebrate me. So if they want to see some celebration when we win, I can show them some celebration ... I know how to celebrate."

                Bulls head coach Tom Thibodeau tried to keep everything in perspective. He wants his team to focus on the Pacers because it's the next game on the schedule.

                "That's the NBA," he said. "Every day you go from one game to the next and you've got to be ready. And whatever the circumstances are, you've got to be ready to face that team; when the ball goes up, you've got to be ready. If you want to find an excuse, you can find one every night. If you don't want to find one, you won't find one."

                Rose, who admitted on Sunday morning that it was tough to watch tape of a loss to the Sixers earlier last month, feels that his team owes one to the Pacers as well. He knows the Bulls could see both teams at some point in the postseason.

                "We know that this is a team we could definitely see in the playoffs," he said. "Knowing how good they are. It's fun, we got to go out there and keep ballin', playing together. And playing defense."

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                • #23
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                  Originally posted by Hibbert View Post
                  Which one is the tranny?
                  Nothing in life worth having comes easy.

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                  • #24
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                    I have no doubt that Noah can out-celebrate Roy, just like I have no doubt that Roy can out-PLAY Noah. I miss the old NBA. Do you think Bird ever whined about Magic celebrating too much in a win? Hey Rose and Noah, you shouldn't need us celebrating a win on your home court to motivate you to play well against us, you should be motivated to play well because the gap is closing.
                    Last edited by JBones19; 03-05-2012, 12:12 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Little Bulls Smack Talk for Tomorrow's Game?

                      Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                      I like Noah's moxy. If he were a Pacer, he'd be awfully popular around here.

                      Still, he has to back up that mouth.
                      Pacers fans have a pretty good track record of liking players when they deserve it. Despite everyone saying the opposite, I really don't think he'd be a fan favorite here.

                      I bet there'd be a lot of hate threads about how he celebrates too much...

                      Take Danny for instance- any time he acts out in a game that is not acceptable according to us, half the board rips him a new one.

                      Noah would most likely have a tough time pleasing the fans here.

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                      • #26
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                        I love it.

                        I'm glad the Bulls are talking ****. It means they are afraid of us. They are a better team, but anytime a team starts **** talking it's because the other team scares them. We are on their mind, we have gotten under their skin.

                        ESPN might not know a thing about the Pacers, but the Bulls sure do.

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                        • #27
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                          No, Mr. Noah, I don't think Roy Hibbert would ever do this...

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                          • #28
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                            I don't like the Bulls, I don't like their fans, though I do like Noah.

                            But most of all, I like that the Pacers have the beginnings of a substantial rivalry with the team that has the best record in the NBA. That's gotta make Pacers fans feel good.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Little Bulls Smack Talk for Tomorrow's Game?

                              Originally posted by Hibbert View Post
                              http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bull...acers-pay-next



                              By Nick Friedell
                              PHILADELPHIA -- Chicago Bulls point guard Derrick Rose still hasn't forgotten the way the Indiana Pacers celebrated on the United Center floor after a win on Jan. 25 and he is looking forward to facing them again on Monday night.
                              This isn't even accurate. There was no more celebrating on the court than any typical NBA regular season game, which is to say, practically none. It only stemmed from hearing the Pacers in the locker room.

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                              • #30
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                                I wonder if Noah knows how dumb he sounds.

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