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Some intersting tidbits on Pacers

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  • #16
    Re: Some intersting tidbits on Pacers

    No adding Rondo won;t make the Pacers instant contenders… He might make them better, but he may also make them worse too.

    Rondo is a tough personality to deal with… he is gruff and stubborn and tends to do things his own way… not sure that fits what Indiana is doing. They have a real three musketeer thing going…

    As for guard of the future, the Pacers have him… his name is Darren Collison.

    Darren Collison is averaging 11.8 points on 43.2% shooting from the field. He is hitting 42.5% of his threes and 84.4% of his foul shots while handing out 5.4 assist a game.

    Rondo is averaging 13.6 points on 50.3% shooting from the field. He is hitting 25% of his threes and 59% of his foul shots while handing out 9.8 assist a game and is about $8.5 million more expensive.

    Not sure there is enough of a difference to say Rondo is a landslide upgrade over Collison.



    I think some of you missed the big picture here and went to the basis of stats, leaving out what the entire big picture is. As I have said before on here. DC is one of the best bangs for the buck in the league for a PG. 8.5mil sure can be spent elsewhere to strengthen this team (bench). Not to mention DC out played him in both games they played against each other and Rondo's so called awesome defense didn't stop DC, yet DC kept him under control.
    Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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    • #17
      Re: Some intersting tidbits on Pacers

      Originally posted by neosmndrew View Post
      Rondo was lucky enough to develop around 2 future hall of famers and one borderline HOF-er (pierce if you were curious). 2 of those players spread the floor so well that you could drive a crusieliner down the lane in many Celtics games, and still Rondo clunks up bricks 2-3 times a game, often more. I am nowhere near as high on Rondo as most people are. He is much quicker than DC is, but that is about it IMO. They are similar ball handlers, Rondo is probably only marginally better at passing with a worse team, and DC is obviously a much better shooter. Rondo is a better player, but not by very much IMO.
      Pierce is the best player out of the 3 IMO, how is he borderline? He's a lock for the hof
      Did you know Antonio and Dale aren’t actually brothers?

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      • #18
        Re: Some intersting tidbits on Pacers

        Originally posted by TheDavisBrothers View Post
        Pierce is the best player out of the 3 IMO, how is he borderline? He's a lock for the hof
        He's also the youngest of the 3.


        Carmel HS Class of 2011

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        • #19
          Re: Some intersting tidbits on Pacers

          Originally posted by neosmndrew View Post
          He's also the youngest of the 3.
          So? He's been in the league plenty long enough for me to see that he's hof worthy
          Did you know Antonio and Dale aren’t actually brothers?

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          • #20
            Re: Some intersting tidbits on Pacers

            I don't think I will ever understand the tenacity at which this board attacks DC... Part of me believes that even if we had CP3, people would ***** about how we should trade for a new point guard like Ricky Rubio.

            Seriously though, DC is a good starting point guard. He will most likely never have "amazing" steve nash vision, but he is an excellent play maker when he has that aggressive mindset. The type of point guard this board wants is incredibly unrealistic to attain, at the moment, unless you want to completely gut this team.

            I believe that the Pacers truly think that Lance is that great point guard of the future who can set up plays and make spectacular passes after driving the lane.

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            • #21
              Re: Some intersting tidbits on Pacers

              Originally posted by neosmndrew View Post
              Rondo was lucky enough to develop around 2 future hall of famers and one borderline HOF-er (pierce if you were curious). 2 of those players spread the floor so well that you could drive a crusieliner down the lane in many Celtics games, and still Rondo clunks up bricks 2-3 times a game, often more. I am nowhere near as high on Rondo as most people are. He is much quicker than DC is, but that is about it IMO. They are similar ball handlers, Rondo is probably only marginally better at passing with a worse team, and DC is obviously a much better shooter. Rondo is a better player, but not by very much IMO.
              Pierce is the second all-time leading scorer for the Celtics. He's a mortal lock.
              Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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              • #22
                Re: Some intersting tidbits on Pacers

                Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                About PG playing out of position.....is it better for him to play next to Granger?
                I'm not convinced on defense having Paul chase SG's is the best use of his skills in the long run. He has great rebounding instincts (watch what he does after a shot goes up compared to Danny), and he'd be able to freelance more to rebound, block shots and get steals (like LeBron) if he played SF and didn't have to chase guards around all the time.

                Offensively, unless we get pure point or Lance finally gets it, I'd say we'd be better off with a more traditional SG (Gordon?) that can play D, handle the ball and help create offense with Darren.

                ... as always JMO

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                • #23
                  Re: Some intersting tidbits on Pacers

                  Originally posted by Pacer Fan View Post
                  I think some of you missed the big picture here and went to the basis of stats, leaving out what the entire big picture is. As I have said before on here. DC is one of the best bangs for the buck in the league for a PG. 8.5mil sure can be spent elsewhere to strengthen this team (bench). Not to mention DC out played him in both games they played against each other and Rondo's so called awesome defense didn't stop DC, yet DC kept him under control.
                  This big picture that everyone is missing out on, how big is it? Evidently, "the big picture" means looking at 2012-2013, and nothing beyond that. After this season, Collison has just one year left on his contract. What kind of money do you think he'll be expecting? It absolutely will not be the same as what he's currently making on his rookie deal.

                  You can say that DC is one of the best bangs for the buck, right now. However, the numbers of bucks we are paying for the bang, is going to jump significantly, very soon, if we decide to keep him. Any starter on a rookie contract is going to be a great value with the way the rookie scale was set up.

                  The best bang for our buck on the team by a wide margin, right now, is Roy Hibbert. Do you think we're going to be able to lock him in to a long-term deal at a similar number to what he's earning now? Of course not. Now, obviously Collison won't be able to command even close to what Roy will, but he's going to want a lot more than he is getting paid on the rookie scale.

                  DC may be a good value right now, but Rondo is possibly the best, non-max level, value contract in the entire NBA. He's locked-in for another 3 seasons after this year at $11, $12, and $13 million each season. If you're trading for Rondo, you're getting an elite point guard, for a long-term, sub-elite level contract. If that isn't a good thing for the bottom-line and the "big picture," I don't know what is.

                  Of course that's also why I can't possibly understand why Boston would consider trading him, but that's another story.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Some intersting tidbits on Pacers

                    "the big picture"
                    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                    • #25
                      Re: Some intersting tidbits on Pacers

                      If it wasn't obvious, I hate the Celtics. KG and Ray Allen had fantastic careers outside Boston, and contributed to a title once they got there. Pierce could not win when he was the undisputed best player on the court, and he has a knack for faking injuries (alright, he only did it once, but I still hate him for that).

                      The fact remains that Rondo is more of a product of his teammates than is own talent/work ethic. Not saying he is bad, just not a top 5 PG on a bad team.


                      Carmel HS Class of 2011

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                      • #26
                        Re: Some intersting tidbits on Pacers

                        Of course Rondo is way better than DC.. But he's got an attitude problem and as mentioned is $8.5 Million more expensive than DC.. He's not worth that much to us. We can keep DC and add a good player with that money. I would like to have a true PG running the show too, but picking on Collison so much like some of you guys have is just criminal. He's not gonna be great, face that and then stop placing blame on him. He's not an All-Star, there are only 4 or 5 of those in the league. Not having a PG with great vision and set up skills hurts, but you cant have it all, especially at the price and production level we get DC at.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Some intersting tidbits on Pacers

                          Hurricane Game

                          With the rumors of a possible Gasol for Rondo deal, is it time for the pacers to jump in and claim their pg of the future? they tried to get him earlier in the year with their “cp3″ proposal, and now apparently, he will be on the market again if the celtics arent contenders by the deadline.

                          the pacers can offer alot to the celtics, they can completely consume his contract for a few picks and the celtics dont have to take back any salary. or they can make a deal giving the celtics collison and picks for rondo

                          or they could even take a much bigger step and trade collison and george for allen and rondo, would be a great deal for the celts and they would save cap, but i doubt the pacers would want to deal both george and collison for rondo and allen, but should they step in and be agressive for rondo?

                          adding him to their team makes them automatic contenders in the east for years, any chance this happens?

                          Alex Kennedy

                          The Pacers love Rondo and, as you mentioned, attempted to acquire him earlier this year. However, talks between the Celtics and Pacers didn’t go anywhere. I’m not sure Indiana has the pieces to get it done. Also, it’s hard to imagine Indiana making a blockbuster deal when they currently sit a 17-8, fourth place in the East.
                          Cain

                          Hey Alex, who would rather have on your team now and in 3-4years Paul George or Evan Turner? How good can these two be individually?

                          Alex Kennedy

                          I’d go with Paul George. I’m a huge fan of his game. Later this afternoon, I have an article dropping about George’s improvement. I truly believe the sky is the limit for him. He’s 21 years old and has all of the tools to be a top player. More importantly, he has an insane work ethic and wants to be great.
                          Nice
                          Sittin on top of the world!

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                          • #28
                            Re: Some intersting tidbits on Pacers

                            Originally posted by neosmndrew View Post
                            If it wasn't obvious, I hate the Celtics. KG and Ray Allen had fantastic careers outside Boston, and contributed to a title once they got there. Pierce could not win when he was the undisputed best player on the court, and he has a knack for faking injuries (alright, he only did it once, but I still hate him for that).

                            The fact remains that Rondo is more of a product of his teammates than is own talent/work ethic. Not saying he is bad, just not a top 5 PG on a bad team.
                            Ray and KG couldn't win when they were the best players on their team either so that arguement is useless
                            Did you know Antonio and Dale aren’t actually brothers?

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