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Five pretender-to-contender trades

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  • #61
    Re: Five pretender-to-contender trades

    Originally posted by A.B.Hollywood View Post
    Tonights game showed me two things:

    1) Collison's defensive progress has been greatly over-exaggerated. He was ABUSED tonight. And I don't mean just by Deron. It was pretty much anyone he guarded.


    2) Speaking of Deron... you do anything, ANYTHING to get Deron in the Blue & Gold that doesn't involve trading PG24 and Hibbert.
    I have been saying this forever.
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    • #62
      Re: Five pretender-to-contender trades

      Originally posted by spreedom View Post
      2012 Free Agent Point Guards


      About half of those guys can give us the kind of production we're currently getting from DC2 and George Hill... so if we traded Deron and he walked, we can very easily plug in some other fringe starters/good 6th-7th men.
      Ad Aaron Brooks who is in Europe(I think) to that list, he is like a better version of DC but is still not a point guard.
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      • #63
        Re: Five pretender-to-contender trades

        This would have been an interesting decision to make. All comes down to how you feel about Collison and Hill long term, b/c even if DWill was a rental, did you trade away the main part of your core? I mean you still have Paul George, Granger, Hibbert and West, with Hansbrough off the bench. Still have plenty of cap space to sign a free agent or make a trade. Couldn't you even technically sign and trade DWill? Or would CBA prevent that?

        It pretty much comes down to whether you feel Collison is your franchise PG, Hill, etc... on whether you make a rental that could..or could not push you to title contention

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        • #64
          Re: Five pretender-to-contender trades

          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
          Ad Aaron Brooks who is in Europe(I think) to that list, he is like a better version of DC but is still not a point guard.
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          Originally posted by IrishPacer
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          • #65
            Re: Five pretender-to-contender trades

            I like DWill a lot from playing and I think he would be a good fit. Only do this if he signs an extension. Maybe with our young core he may be interested in that idea. I would hate to see DC and Hill go. I wonder if they would be interested in one of either DC or Hill and our 1st and 2nd rounder next year.

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            • #66
              Re: Five pretender-to-contender trades

              Originally posted by Really? View Post
              Not worried about if Deron would not resign, but really what better options would he have.

              But if he did leave like they said we could use the money to get the PD "Golden Child", lol
              Unfortunately, it is likely that money alone will not land Gordon. Certainly it will take the cap space to be able to sign. But just as importantly, it will take assets because NOLA will probably not let him go for nothing... they will threaten to match an offer to get players.

              And that is where having assets comes into play. You give up Collison and Hill to get Williams, then lose Williams and suddenly we don't have enough assets we are willing to part with to make a run at Gordon.

              And quite frankly, even though a long list of players has been presented to replace Collison and Hill, there is no assurance that we would get one good enough to replace what we have lost in Collison and Hill.

              I don't believe the Pacers have worked this hard to build this kind of depth and team chemistry to suddenly be willing to roll the dice and leave their continued good fortunes open to chance.

              Without any assurances from Williams, I would just as soon leave things the way they are and attempt to add one of the listed players to our roster to further improve our number of quality players. If we cannot add one of the top players from the list, I would be perfectly happy with a reduced, but fair, contract for Hinrich.

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              • #67
                Re: Five pretender-to-contender trades

                i like the Nash trade, I think he might resign here for a couple years.
                I feel like we'd be giving a bit too much.
                So maybe just Collison for Nash (Hill for Nash has no chance imo because of his contract situation and upside).
                Or maybe add Grant Hill and Posey into the deal.
                Or maybe we could get back Aaron Brooks' restricted free agency rights, in case Phoenix does not intend to resign him.
                Either way, I could see this work in some form, and I'd love to see Nash here for several years.

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                • #68
                  Re: Five pretender-to-contender trades

                  Me too ballism, me too. He is everything we need offensively at point guard. Based on his stats, above 50% shooting, double figure scoring, and almost double figure assists, he still has a ways to go before he becomes 'Jason Kidd' status, and he has experience similar to what David West would bring along with the missing piece to make guys like Paul George, Tyler Hansbrough, and even Roy more consistent and dangerous on a nightly basis.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Five pretender-to-contender trades

                    Originally posted by beast23 View Post
                    Unfortunately, it is likely that money alone will not land Gordon. Certainly it will take the cap space to be able to sign. But just as importantly, it will take assets because NOLA will probably not let him go for nothing... they will threaten to match an offer to get players.

                    And that is where having assets comes into play. You give up Collison and Hill to get Williams, then lose Williams and suddenly we don't have enough assets we are willing to part with to make a run at Gordon.

                    And quite frankly, even though a long list of players has been presented to replace Collison and Hill, there is no assurance that we would get one good enough to replace what we have lost in Collison and Hill.

                    I don't believe the Pacers have worked this hard to build this kind of depth and team chemistry to suddenly be willing to roll the dice and leave their continued good fortunes open to chance.

                    Without any assurances from Williams, I would just as soon leave things the way they are and attempt to add one of the listed players to our roster to further improve our number of quality players. If we cannot add one of the top players from the list, I would be perfectly happy with a reduced, but fair, contract for Hinrich.
                    I believe then we would have enough to spend max money if we wanted on him, so we would not have to do a trade. No need to lose assets, he is a free agent and all NO can do is max, which I do not think they are planning on doing.
                    Why so SERIOUS

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                    • #70
                      Re: Five pretender-to-contender trades

                      I'd love to have Nash wear the Indy uni. But I just cannot see this happening. Steve is a loyal player. I don't see him leaving Phoenix even if it is for a shot at a championship. I'm sure that he wants to retire in Phoenix and maybe help the team rebuild itself from a managerial standpoint.
                      Originally posted by IrishPacer
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                      • #71
                        Re: Five pretender-to-contender trades

                        Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                        I'd love to have Nash wear the Indy uni. But I just cannot see this happening. Steve is a loyal player. I don't see him leaving Phoenix even if it is for a shot at a championship. I'm sure that he wants to retire in Phoenix and maybe help the team rebuild itself from a managerial standpoint.
                        The impression that I get is that Nash won't ask for a trade and that the Suns won't trade him unless it make sense for them. But I don't think that in the offseason that Nash or the Suns will look to retain his services. Nash ( out of respect for the Organization...which is admirable if not rare ) won't ask for a trade...but that doesn't mean that he wants to retire as a Sun after this season or explore his options AFTER this season is over. I can totally see him end up in NY with D'Antoni and Stoudamire.
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                        • #72
                          Re: Five pretender-to-contender trades

                          I can't find the exact quote, but I'm pretty sure Nash recently said something along the lines of "I'm loyal to the Suns/Sarver while I'm under contract, but once I hit free agency it's another story." The quote really led me to believe that he's more than open to testing free agency this summer.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Five pretender-to-contender trades

                            If he is willing to test free agency then by all means the team should make a move. Nash is just a player of rare quality.
                            Originally posted by IrishPacer
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                            • #74
                              Re: Five pretender-to-contender trades

                              With Hill hurt, this is probably all moot.

                              But with the reality that Hill could walk this summer too... this proposed trade would in effect be a DWill rental in exchange for Collinson and a Hill rental. Why would New Jersey do this? When their hurt guys get back, they will be a pretty decent team, but they will want 2-4 pieces for the future, and they have an owner who will pay bucks to make that happen. Most likely they would want PG, Collinson a first rounder and maybe even Tyler.

                              Under the ridiculous proposal suggested, if this trade did happen and both rentals leave in free agency at the end of the season, the Nets have a mediocre starting point guard for the future, and the Pacers had a (probable) deep playoff run. The Nets could do way better than that, I would think.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Five pretender-to-contender trades

                                Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                                So some of you are trying to tel me that if we make the ECFs with a lineup of Deron, Paul George, Granger, West, and Hibbert...that Deron would absolutely not re-sign here?

                                I'm calling bullocks on that one. Why don't we start giving our city a little more credit than "it's just another small market getting pissed on by the establishment."....Let's not forget that we're hosting this little event called the SUPER BOWL right now, and by all accounts we are NAILING it.
                                Not to mention, bird rights mean we can pay him more than anyone else.

                                He'll be sitting on a title contender, and he will have to take LESS money to go to another team. It would be kinda crazy if he left, actually.
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