Pacers/Hawks postgame thread

[Justin Tyme]

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I agree that it was poor form, for sure. I winced when I saw this happen, but I don't think it was Amundsen being a poor sport and rubbing salt into a wound, but more a lack of awareness that the game was about over and he needed to start standing down.

Both Amundsen and Pendergraph looked like players who have been playing on the practice court for weeks, and were overwhelmed with excitement and nervousness when getting real time on the court. They were both playing dazed and confused, IMO. Lot of clutzy mistakes.

Hardly got a sense that they were intentionally running up the score.

JP & Lou were just trying to show their game in garbage time the same way Sloan was. Why is it ok for Sloan to try to impress his coach with his play, but not ok for Lou? If the Hawks are upset about it, let it give them some incentative for the next time they play the Pacers, not try and hurt a player on purpose just b/c their feelings are hurt. Personally, I thought Lou showed more restaint than I would have under the circumstances.

[billbradley]

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I guess the question is Mackey, when is it ever okay to go up for a shot when you have a lead, when a team keeps aggressively scoring in your face?

[xBulletproof]

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I have been pretty anti-Lance, but who cares that he pissed off the other team? While if I was an Atlanta player, I probably would have laughed in his face for being over the top about 12 whole points ..... as a fan of the Pacers I could care less. If he's yapping, it means he's probably doing something right. I've seen guys who needed to be in the **** you type of mentality to play well, maybe that's Lance, and he's been too timid. I don't know. I know the Lance I saw today was better than any other.

That said, Lance finished with 3 assists and 3 turnovers and it shouldn't have been even that pretty. 2 of his assists were bail outs by George Hill and Tyler, both of which were poor decisions, and/or poorly placed passes. The receivers just made great plays. It easily could have been 1 assist and 5 turnovers, and most times would have been. He really needs to work on his decision making if he wants to be a PG.

[Gamble1]

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JP & Lou were just trying to show their game in garbage time the same way Sloan was. Why is it ok for Sloan to try to impress his coach with his play, but not ok for Lou? If the Hawks are upset about it, let it give them some incentative for the next time they play the Pacers, not try and hurt a player on purpose just b/c their feelings are hurt. Personally, I thought Lou showed more restaint than I would have under the circumstances.

This is my take.

Personally I want my bench always on attack mode because chemistry and playing to win everygame is important and guys like Lou don't have an off switch. If they did they wouldn't be in the NBA.

[billbradley]

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That said, Lance finished with 3 assists and 3 turnovers and it shouldn't have been even that pretty. 2 of his assists were bail outs by George Hill and Tyler, both of which were poor decisions, and/or poorly placed passes. The receivers just made great plays. It easily could have been 1 assist and 5 turnovers, and most times would have been. He really needs to work on his decision making if he wants to be a PG.

Why is everyone saying Tyler bailed out Lance on that pass? Looked to me like Lance threw the ball over the top of defenders where Tyler could get it. Tyler didn't have to shoot, he could of come down with the ball. Lance put it where Tyler could make a play and he did.

[McKeyFan]

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Why is this so difficult?

Lou should have let the clock run out. Collins shouldn't have decked him, regardless of Lou's actions.

Both were unprofessional.

[Mackey_Rose]

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I guess the question is Mackey, when is it ever okay to go up for a shot when you have a lead, when a team keeps aggressively scoring in your face?

If the shot clock is running, by all means, get a good shot. When the shot clock is off, it's usually pretty standard protocol just to dribble out the clock. You see it just about every night.

[Mackey_Rose]

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That said, Lance finished with 3 assists and 3 turnovers and it shouldn't have been even that pretty. 2 of his assists were bail outs by George Hill and Tyler, both of which were poor decisions, and/or poorly placed passes. The receivers just made great plays. It easily could have been 1 assist and 5 turnovers, and most times would have been. He really needs to work on his decision making if he wants to be a PG.

The 3rd assist was on Foster's three-pointer to end the quarter.

Which was certainly the most unlikely of any of them.

[BRushWithDeath]

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I guess the question is Mackey, when is it ever okay to go up for a shot when you have a lead, when a team keeps aggressively scoring in your face?

When there is time on the shot clock, you can shoot at the end of it.

When the shot clock is off and all you have to do is hold the ball and let it run out, you should not ever shoot if you have the lead.

Lou's shot with 21 seconds to go was fine. There is no reason to just take the turnover. But that absolutely should have been the last shot. I don't see how this even debatable. There was 3 seconds left and it was a 12 point game. Come on.

[billbradley]

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If the shot clock is running, by all means, get a good shot. When the shot clock is off, it's usually pretty standard protocol just to dribble out the clock. You see it just about every night.

Even if someone is trying to steal the ball from you? You know, still playing aggressive basketball.

[BRushWithDeath]

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Why is this so difficult?

Lou should have let the clock run out. Collins shouldn't have decked him, regardless of Lou's actions.

Both were unprofessional.

Personally, I thought Collins' foul was the right play. It was a hard foul. Lou earned it. It wasn't a dangerous foul. It wasn't especially malicous. I would hope one of our players would do the same in that situation.

[Trader Joe]

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I thanked your post because of the tone.

However, I'm not sure I agree with the second part, although I am open. Lance is definitely a pass first guy. He has not made any shots so far, so that must happen for him to keep defenders from sagging so he can then make the effective pass.

Maybe we are saying the same thing. I'm saying he needs to penetrate, break down the defense, make things happen, and look for the open man and/or shoot if that ends up being the best option. That may not be the same as "always looking for his shot first" but maybe we are saying the same thing. Maybe it would be better to say "Lance needs to make an individual move first."

Perhaps, what I'm really saying is, I think Lance has developed a somewhat mixed results habit of immediately looking for the pass as soon as he beats his man off the dribble, but I'm not really sure that's his game or the best option for him. If you look at him historically, he is a scorer. Now that scoring can lead to creation chances for him for other players, but I think he needs to let the scoring drive the bus. JMO

[Sparhawk]

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I'm fairly certain the shot clock was off.

gotcha. didn't know that. then yes, that was a stupid move by Lou.

[Trader Joe]

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I don't totally agree with what Lou did, and I don't totally disagree with what Collins did, but I definitely operate under the belief that in professional sports especially, there's no such thing as running up the score, regardless of what the clock says. If you don't want someone to score, then stop it and that's what Collins did.

[Mackey_Rose]

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Even if someone is trying to steal the ball from you? You know, still playing aggressive basketball.

Yes, even then. Just hold the ball.