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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

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Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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12/28/2011 Raptors

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  • #61
    Re: 12/28/2011 Raptors

    Pacers 90
    Raptors 75

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    • #62
      Re: 12/28/2011 Raptors

      Pacers - 105
      Raps - 99

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      • #63
        Re: 12/28/2011 Raptors

        Pacers 111
        raptors 84
        Good is the enemy of Great


        We're changing the identity of our basketball team -- dramatically. We're a power post team -- a blood-and-guts, old-school, smash-mouth team that plays with size, strength, speed and athleticism. We attack the basket. . . . This is the new identity of our team. It was a great effort. I'm very proud of our guys."
        -- Frank Vogel.

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        • #64
          Re: 12/28/2011 Raptors

          Pacers: 101
          Raptors: 97
          2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

          2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

          2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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          • #65
            Re: 12/28/2011 Raptors

            Pacers 98
            Raptors 87

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            • #66
              This Contest Is Closed

              This guess the score contest is now closed. The following guesses have been successfully recorded:

              Code:
              Poster                          Pacers      Opponent    
              15th parallel                            101          89
              1984                                      94          81
              31andonly                                 96          83
              Alabama-Redneck                          107          99
              BBQ                                      100          96
              BKK                                      101          92
              ChristianDudley                           98          89
              CoolHand                                  97          92
              D0NT SH0OT ME                             94          81
              Daniel33                                  93          90
              FlavaDave                                103          77
              GP33                                      95          83
              HickeyS2000                              102          88
              Hypnotiq                                  98          86
              Iceman1                                   97          91
              Il Ragionier Ugo Fantozzi                 98          89
              IndyHoosier                               98          90
              Jrod Jones                               103          94
              KingGeorge                               109          98
              LucasRL13                                 93          84
              MTM                                       92          99
              Mourning                                 101          97
              Mr_Smith                                  78          91
              OrganizedConfusion                       110          92
              PGisthefuture                             90          75
              Pacemaker                                 95          84
              Pacer Fan                                111          95
              PacerGuy                                  95          88
              PacerPenguins                             94          88
              PacersFan1991                            109          83
              PacersHomer                               97          83
              Pacersalltheway10                        102          85
              QuickRelease                              97          92
              RichardHawes                              93          87
              RomanGabriel                             105          99
              Shade                                     96          88
              Sparhawk                                  95          88
              Steagles                                  96          85
              Stuckey7370                              100          91
              TH50                                     104          93
              The Rocker                               103          94
              TheDon                                    99          90
              Trophy                                   101          94
              Wilk39                                    93          85
              Winner                                   110         104
              bballpacen                                95          93
              beast23                                  103          89
              cdash                                    103          87
              colts19                                  111          84
              cramerica                                102          97
              croz24                                   111         108
              davidinnc                                 98          91
              dustinpettit                             106          88
              granger                                   98          87
              imbtyler                                  93          89
              mildlysane                               101          91
              pathil275                                101          93
              peasouptexan7                            101          90
              pezasied182                               99          84
              pwee31                                    94          91
              thefeistyone                             100          91
              xBulletproof                              98          94
              RoboDoug                                 111         108
              Rejected Posts:
              Post 1329118, User jeffg-body, Reason: TOR guess less than 40 or greater than 190
              Post 1329593, User Eleazar, Reason: No valid guess found


              HomePointsV4,2191805,8.29,2011-03-25/VisitorPointsV3,2751447,8.12,2011-12-24/Matrix85,105,106,29.02

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              • #67
                Drumroll please...

                Code:
                Final score:
                
                Pacers                90
                Raptors               85
                
                Code:
                Poster                           IND  TOR  OffBy  WillsGame
                Wilk39                            93   85      3  Win      
                LucasRL13                         93   84      4  Win      
                RichardHawes                      93   87      5  Win      
                Pacemaker                         95   84      6  Win      
                Steagles                          96   85      6  Win      
                GP33                              95   83      7  Win      
                imbtyler                          93   89      7  Win      
                PacerPenguins                     94   88      7  Win      
                1984                              94   81      8  Win      
                31andonly                         96   83      8  Win      
                D0NT SH0OT ME                     94   81      8  Win      
                Daniel33                          93   90      8  Win      
                PacerGuy                          95   88      8  Win      
                Sparhawk                          95   88      8  Win      
                Hypnotiq                          98   86      9  Win      
                PacersHomer                       97   83      9  Win      
                Shade                             96   88      9  Win      
                granger                           98   87     10  Win      
                pezasied182                       99   84     10  Win      
                PGisthefuture                     90   75     10  Win      
                pwee31                            94   91     10  Win      
                ChristianDudley                   98   89     12  Win      
                Il Ragionier Ugo Fantozzi         98   89     12  Win      
                Pacersalltheway10                102   85     12  Win      
                bballpacen                        95   93     13  Win      
                Iceman1                           97   91     13  Win      
                IndyHoosier                       98   90     13  Win      
                CoolHand                          97   92     14  Win      
                davidinnc                         98   91     14  Win      
                QuickRelease                      97   92     14  Win      
                TheDon                            99   90     14  Win      
                15th parallel                    101   89     15  Win      
                cdash                            103   87     15  Win      
                HickeyS2000                      102   88     15  Win      
                MTM                               92   99     16  Loss     
                peasouptexan7                    101   90     16  Win      
                Stuckey7370                      100   91     16  Win      
                thefeistyone                     100   91     16  Win      
                beast23                          103   89     17  Win      
                mildlysane                       101   91     17  Win      
                xBulletproof                      98   94     17  Win      
                BKK                              101   92     18  Win      
                Mr_Smith                          78   91     18  Loss     
                dustinpettit                     106   88     19  Win      
                pathil275                        101   93     19  Win      
                Trophy                           101   94     20  Win      
                BBQ                              100   96     21  Win      
                FlavaDave                        103   77     21  Win      
                PacersFan1991                    109   83     21  Win      
                colts19                          111   84     22  Win      
                Jrod Jones                       103   94     22  Win      
                TH50                             104   93     22  Win      
                The Rocker                       103   94     22  Win      
                Mourning                         101   97     23  Win      
                cramerica                        102   97     24  Win      
                OrganizedConfusion               110   92     27  Win      
                RomanGabriel                     105   99     29  Win      
                Alabama-Redneck                  107   99     31  Win      
                Pacer Fan                        111   95     31  Win      
                KingGeorge                       109   98     32  Win      
                Winner                           110  104     39  Win      
                croz24                           111  108     44  Win      
                RoboDoug                         111  108     44  Win

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