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Gamethread 12/20/2012 vs Bulls

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  • Re: Gamethread 12/20/2012 vs Bulls

    I can't say that I would call Roy a bust at this time. Smits took some time to develop into a servicable C. Bigs always take longer to develop, especially if they are trying to change their body by adding muscle. Roy took a lot of double teams in these two games and that should change a bit once DW is playing at full speed. I think everyone is taking two pre-season games way too seriously. We probably won't see consistent good play until after the first 10-15 games because of adding DW and GH. They need time to gel as a team and fit into their role. There was a lot of line-up expirements too with the one I liked the best was having DW and Tyler in together. I am not worried about these two games against an elite team, the sky is not falling right now.

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    • Re: Gamethread 12/20/2012 vs Bulls

      Originally posted by jeffg-body View Post
      I can't say that I would call Roy a bust at this time. Smits took some time to develop into a servicable C. Bigs always take longer to develop, especially if they are trying to change their body by adding muscle. Roy took a lot of double teams in these two games and that should change a bit once DW is playing at full speed. I think everyone is taking two pre-season games way too seriously. We probably won't see consistent good play until after the first 10-15 games because of adding DW and GH. They need time to gel as a team and fit into their role. There was a lot of line-up expirements too with the one I liked the best was having DW and Tyler in together. I am not worried about these two games against an elite team, the sky is not falling right now.
      "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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      • Re: Gamethread 12/20/2012 vs Bulls

        Ok I am happy about the way Tyler has been playing, I know is preseason but the guy is playing out of his mind.

        24, 13 and 3 assists? If hope he keeps this numbers up.

        I also like what I got to see from West, he looks rusty and it looks like he was holding back a bit while trying to jump, good 1st game as a Pacers.

        DC and Roy need to really get busy, next game is going to count and they better play better.

        Regarding Lance, the guy looked good, he is the only PG that can make a pass at the right time.

        Again, let's hope they are ready for next week, go Pacers
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        • Re: Gamethread 12/20/2012 vs Bulls

          At one point in time the camera panned the bench at the end of the 4th and they showed Roy & twol D leaguers (before they went in) & I said "look three D league players".

          Actually Roy didn't only not make me happy tonight, whenever he was on the floor he offended me. I would have rather them just had Paul George play center than what Roy gave us.


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          • Re: Gamethread 12/20/2012 vs Bulls

            Honestly, the only player I really worry about is Roy.

            I don't care how much you like him and how nice of a guy he is, he's just not that talented. He doesn't look stronger to me and still looks timid and scared.

            Everyone else I think will get back in the flow shortly. I just can't help but worry about Roy though.
            Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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            • Re: Gamethread 12/20/2012 vs Bulls

              Originally posted by Peck View Post
              At one point in time the camera panned the bench at the end of the 4th and they showed Roy & twol D leaguers (before they went in) & I said "look three D league players".

              Actually Roy didn't only not make me happy tonight, whenever he was on the floor he offended me. I would have rather them just had Paul George play center than what Roy gave us.
              I only watched the end of the second quarter/beginning of third and I agree. I felt like Roy was playing horribly and was way way too timid.

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              • Re: Gamethread 12/20/2012 vs Bulls

                Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
                So when he was on the floor, the coach had lance at pg with price at sg. Doesnt that say a lot about price being a pg, especially when lance isnt considered a natural pg?
                Actually it was probably more about getting Lance as much practice as possible..and, you know, Price can play without the ball.

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                • Re: Gamethread 12/20/2012 vs Bulls

                  Originally posted by tadscout View Post
                  This bears repeating.

                  I have been on boards where trolls have been ignored into oblivion. It is a glorious achievement.
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                  • Re: Gamethread 12/20/2012 vs Bulls

                    I wish Roy would play like he wants it. Maybe he does but he doesn't act like it.

                    He was strong enough before he gained the weight. The weight he gained is useless until he wants and likes to initiate contact.

                    He's one of my favorites and I hope he gets it together.

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                    • Re: Gamethread 12/20/2012 vs Bulls

                      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                      Regardless of what your story is, your negativity is pretty stifling and it sucks the positive energy out of the room. If this is all you're going to bring to the table, you may want to consider finding a new forum.

                      Hicks I don't know if it was your intention, but since you are an admin that bolded part comes off as kind of threatening.

                      Hopefully that wasn't your intention, because threatening to ban a poster just because their opinion isn't a popular one would be pretty lame.

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                      • Re: Gamethread 12/20/2012 vs Bulls

                        Originally posted by Peck View Post
                        At one point in time the camera panned the bench at the end of the 4th and they showed Roy & twol D leaguers (before they went in) & I said "look three D league players".

                        Actually Roy didn't only not make me happy tonight, whenever he was on the floor he offended me. I would have rather them just had Paul George play center than what Roy gave us.
                        I know you are just talking about tonight, but I felt this way more often than not watching Roy last year, especially the 2nd half of the season. I hope he gets it together, because I'd rather not see him on the court if that is what we get, let alone a big fat contract extension.

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                        • Re: Gamethread 12/20/2012 vs Bulls

                          I think we need more Hansbroughs on the team. Those dudes are amazing. Let's bring his little brother here.

                          If a guy is averaging 18 and 10 and coming off the bench.. can he still be an all star?

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                          • Re: Gamethread 12/20/2012 vs Bulls

                            Originally posted by D0NT SH0OT ME View Post
                            Hicks I don't know if it was your intention, but since you are an admin that bolded part comes off as kind of threatening.

                            Hopefully that wasn't your intention, because threatening to ban a poster just because their opinion isn't a popular one would be pretty lame.
                            meh, a lot worse could happen. i didn't take it as a threat, if my opinion counts for anything. this forum does a pretty good job for allowing people with different opinions the opportunity to express them, for what it's worth.

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                            • Re: Gamethread 12/20/2012 vs Bulls

                              On the bright side I was very pleased with what I saw from west. Seemed confident with the knee, and scored well in the post through traffic.

                              Honestly jumping to an conclusions after a preseason game is silly on its face, but keep in mind this was the best team in the NBA last regular season, going up against their defense, and on the road tonight? We were likely going to lose at this point regardless. There was alot of good to take from these games too.

                              Hans looks like a beast, and could win 6moy if he keeps it up. West looked promising. George makes some silly mistakes, but the talent is undeniable, and he's been productive, 15 ppg or so from him this year would be amazing on top of his great rebounding, danny blows annually during the preseason, nothing new to see there, roy has kept position better, eventually those shots will fall, noah is one of his worst matchups in the NBA...

                              I'm still confident in my prediction of a 4th or 5th place finish once things really rev up. Chicago is an elite team, and moreso now with rip, we'll get better too once West is fully back in the fold, and Hill is fully acclimated. Don't get too high or low after preseason games, especially when we've only had a week and there are just two of them.

                              I'm confident we'll kick the crap out of the pistons and have a season far more rewarding than any we've had in nearly a decade.
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                              • Re: Gamethread 12/20/2012 vs Bulls

                                I think we'll get better as the chemistry starts coming together a bit with the new guys... I'll admit it was a fairly disappointing performance overall in the two preseason games.

                                Tyler is a beast for sure, I was so excited when we drafted him... he is living up to my expectations and that rarely happens in sports. Couldn't be happier for the kid.

                                Roy has always had poor games and great games... not surprised that he didn't look good. He'll get his groove on but he'll probably never really be that consistent threat night in and night out.

                                Granger is like a ghost out there.... has been for a while now. Does he really want to be here or what... sometimes I wonder.

                                Collison is NOT going to take us to the next level. He's as mediocre as they come.

                                Hill looks pretty lost but I'll give him a pass for obvious reasons.

                                I think West will be a nice addition, glad we got him.

                                Other than that... it WAS just preseason but we need much improvement across the board, both sides of the ball, I don't care if it was the Bulls or not, we looked really crappy and not like a playoff team is supposed to look.

                                Just my $.02

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