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2011-12 NBA Random Thoughts Thread VIII: Random Thoughts the 8th I am!

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  • Re: 2011-12 NBA Random Thoughts Thread VIII: Random Thoughts the 8th I am!

    How about Chandler Parsons? 20/7 in his start with HOU last night. Could be the steal of the 2nd round.

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    • Re: 2011-12 NBA Random Thoughts Thread VIII: Random Thoughts the 8th I am!

      Originally posted by Doddage View Post
      How about Chandler Parsons? 20/7 in his start with HOU last night. Could be the steal of the 2nd round.
      Parsons was a player I really liked. I'm glad to see him doing well in Houston.

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      • Re: 2011-12 NBA Random Thoughts Thread VIII: Random Thoughts the 8th I am!

        Last night
        B. Mullens... 15 pts... 5-11 fg... 5-6 ft... 10 reb... 1 ast... 1 stl.

        DJ White... 9 pts... 4-10 fg... 1-2 ft... 6 reb... 2 ast

        Both are getting PT after coming to the Bobcats.

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        • Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
          But the difference this season is that Kobe had an extended break unlike previous years. From 08-10, he played in three straight Finals with an Olympics mixed in there. He was basically playing basketball non-stop and that's why he was a bit gassed last season. But since the Lakers were eliminated from the playoffs last year in early May and this season didn't start until Christmas, Kobe had a long 7 and a half month break. That's why he seems to be so rejuvenated right now.

          Besides, Kobe played 38 minutes a game just two years ago compared to the 36 he is averaging right now. He averaged 34 last year. Phil didn't reel him in that much. Kobe's just rested and is playing really well right now. If his 3-point shot was falling then he'd be having a very special season (he's averaging just 18% from 3).

          First round exit? I just don't see it. The Dallas sweep in the semis last year was the perfect storm. LA blew big leads at home in games 1 and 2 and then lost a close game 3 that could have gone either way. They always won those sorts of games from 08-10. Then in game 4 everything clicked for Dallas and they couldn't miss. Dallas was definitely the better team and deserved to win, but I don't see a team pounding LA like that this season. I'm not guaranteeing they will make the Finals, but I doubt they will be swept out of the playoffs. I will guarantee though that they get past the first round.
          Not taking about Kobe's health at all.
          The hallmark of LA's dominance in 2009 and 2010 was their ability to put games away with Kobe on the bench. They could exist without him.

          This current lakers team reminds me too much of mike brown's cavs teams. Way too much reliance on 2-3 guys, and in the playoffs they simply are not going to be able to exist without everything going through Kobe, nor can he keep this pace up at his age.

          Sorry, the story for the lakers this year looks like it'll be Kobe proving to everyone that he hadn't lost a step, rather than the lakers proving they are still contenders.

          It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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          • Re: 2011-12 NBA Random Thoughts Thread VIII: Random Thoughts the 8th I am!

            Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
            Last night
            B. Mullens... 15 pts... 5-11 fg... 5-6 ft... 10 reb... 1 ast... 1 stl.

            DJ White... 9 pts... 4-10 fg... 1-2 ft... 6 reb... 2 ast

            Both are getting PT after coming to the Bobcats.
            It also helps that Tyrus Thomas is as fragile as fine china.
            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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            • Re: 2011-12 NBA Random Thoughts Thread VIII: Random Thoughts the 8th I am!

              Originally posted by Kstat View Post
              Not taking about Kobe's health at all.
              The hallmark of LA's dominance in 2009 and 2010 was their ability to put games away with Kobe on the bench. They could exist without him.

              This current lakers team reminds me too much of mike brown's cavs teams. Way too much reliance on 2-3 guys, and in the playoffs they simply are not going to be able to exist without everything going through Kobe, nor can he keep this pace up at his age.

              Sorry, the story for the lakers this year looks like it'll be Kobe proving to everyone that he hadn't lost a step, rather than the lakers proving they are still contenders.

              I agree with what you're saying about the Lakers bench being important. But Kobe's health is very very relevant. Kobe averaged just 22.8 in the Dallas series last year, a far cry from the 08-10 playoffs when he averaged 30. Kobe's inability to play like the Kobe of the previous 3 years was a major reason the Lakers got swept. He just couldn't take over games like he always had in the past. If he can revert back to 08-10 Kobe in this year's postseason then I don't think there's any way they lose in the first round. If he plays like the Kobe of old then they will at least be in contention for the Finals, especially if Bynum can stay healthy and keep playing like this.

              Mike Brown's Cavs teams never surrounded Lebron with two players as good as Bynum and Gasol. Not even close.

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              • Re: 2011-12 NBA Random Thoughts Thread VIII: Random Thoughts the 8th I am!

                It doesn't matter. You can;'t have one guy dominating an entire offense like that and expect to win in the playoffs.

                It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                • Re: 2011-12 NBA Random Thoughts Thread VIII: Random Thoughts the 8th I am!

                  Can anybody post this article please?


                  NBARumorCentral ESPN
                  A look at Danny Granger's future in Indiana, and why he could potentially be floated in a trade. -- http://es.pn/xSBYVU
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                  • Re: 2011-12 NBA Random Thoughts Thread VIII: Random Thoughts the 8th I am!

                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    Can anybody post this article please?

                    NBARumorCentral ESPN
                    A look at Danny Granger's future in Indiana, and why he could potentially be floated in a trade. -- http://es.pn/xSBYVU
                    Not much info.

                    Danny Granger has gotten off to a slow shooting start this season for the Pacers.

                    And as some have noted, Paul George is waiting in the wings to take over the top perimeter scoring role in Indiana.

                    So might a trade of Granger make some sense fo the Pacers as they look to turn a new leaf and become a legit contender in the East?
                    I guess they got the impression from Chad Ford's chat to rumor it.

                    http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/42037

                    Question: Who do you think the Pacers should move Granger for? Paul George is just as good.

                    Ford: Granger is struggling to fit into the new realties in Indy. He no longer is playing for Jim O'Brien and no longer needs to take off-balance contested jumpers with 18 seconds left on the shot clock. You're argument that Paul George is just as good has some resonance. David West, Roy Hibbert, Darren Collison and George Hill can also get it done. If he can't buy in, I think they've got to consider moving him. Not sure what they'd get for him, but there's been a lot of interest in him in the past.
                    Last edited by Trophy; 01-11-2012, 05:52 PM.

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                    • Re: 2011-12 NBA Random Thoughts Thread VIII: Random Thoughts the 8th I am!

                      Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                      It doesn't matter. You can;'t have one guy dominating an entire offense like that and expect to win in the playoffs.


                      He's not dominating the offense any more than he has in recent years. He has Bynum and Gasol behind him who are each averaging roughly 17 PPG. You're making it sound like this is the 2006 Lakers all over again when he was averaging 35 PPG on 27 shots per game while being surrounded by complete scrubs.

                      He's averaging 23.7 shot attempts this year. He averaged 19.98 last year, 21.49 in 09/10, 20.87 in 08/09, and 20.60 in 07-08. So through 11 games, he's averaging just 2-3 shots more than he was when they were going to the Finals. But 11 games is a pretty small sample size, and I think that 23.7 will go down a bit as the season goes on. The bottom line is, he's basically playing like he always has.

                      You can't just completely brush off the fact that a huge reason they were swept last year is because he averaged roughly 8 PPG less than he did in the previous 3 postseasons and that if he can regain that 08-10 form they will be in a much much better position. I'm not saying they should go ahead and get their rings sized, but I am saying there's no way in hell they'll be out in the first round if he keeps playing like this and if Bynum can stay healthy. They will be in contention for the Finals.

                      I think their bench is doing "OK" right now anyway.

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                      • Re: 2011-12 NBA Random Thoughts Thread VIII: Random Thoughts the 8th I am!

                        ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
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                        • Re: 2011-12 NBA Random Thoughts Thread VIII: Random Thoughts the 8th I am!

                          I would like to see Pacers get Elijah Millsap. Pacers have 2 open spots and I think Eli could really help the 2nd unit. He brings a lot of energy and can score very well. He's a really good ballplayer.
                          Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                          • Re: 2011-12 NBA Random Thoughts Thread VIII: Random Thoughts the 8th I am!

                            Knicks beats the Sixers tonight, moving us back into a tie for 3rd in the East.

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                            • Re: 2011-12 NBA Random Thoughts Thread VIII: Random Thoughts the 8th I am!

                              JVG is driving me nuts on the Dal-Bos game...
                              "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                              • Re: 2011-12 NBA Random Thoughts Thread VIII: Random Thoughts the 8th I am!

                                If Granger cant buy in? What the hell does that mean. Danny seems to have bought in. He is playing very hard, his shots just werent falling until tonight.

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