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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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Chris Paul is (not) about to be a LA Laker

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  • Re: Chris Paul is about to be a LA Laker

    Originally posted by HC View Post
    Sure it is unfair. I think the point is that if you look up in the rafters of the Staples Center it would appear that the Lakers are due for a bad break....it happens right? Was the brawl outcome fair? Is it fair that the Pacers still pay the owners from STL?

    Due for a bad break? See you could say that about a lot of successful franchises there's a reason they're successful because they have great owners and management. The Lakers especially to have been able to do this for decades namely the 80's and 00s


    Success breeds hate

    But everyone here assumes big markets automatically will win titles when people seem to forget the Spurs won 4 titles in the past decade by building a great team and getting a Tim Duncan to succeed a David Robinson. And look at the Knicks an exercise in futility if I ever saw it. If you have an owner willing to spend and a GM willing to build a team it can work in any market. The Thunder are a a rising team and the Mavs won a title despite being in a football centered market.

    There are no guarantees with this trade CP3 goes to the Lakers doesn't mean a title will happen(don't find CP3 to be a big time player personally) I do think he's an upgrade over Fisher but that's about it.

    I don't think he's the type of player worth gutting the Lakers roster for. I think they're better off.

    That being said I don't blame CP3 for being upset since its one thing to be traded its another to have the rest of the NBA dictating where you should go.

    Stern should've been ousted as the Commish would've made things a lot better for the NBA as a whole.

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    • Re: Chris Paul is about to be a LA Laker

      Originally posted by JB24 View Post
      If that part about Stern is true then he has earned himself a little bit of my respect.
      "The greatest thing you know Comes not from above but below" Danzig

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      • Re: Chris Paul is about to be a LA Laker

        Originally posted by Young View Post
        It will not do Chris Paul any good to act like a 12 year old and go out of his way to **** off the league and ultimately hurt his team. Chris Paul did sign a contract to play for the Hornets so he should remember that he has an obligation to them until that contract expires or they trade him. It is not his right to be traded, it's the Hornet's right to trade him.
        THANK YOU! I can't believe people are siding with Paul on this after the lockout we just went through. Honor your contract and then go where you want.

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        • Re: Chris Paul is about to be a LA Laker

          Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
          Due for a bad break? See you could say that about a lot of successful franchises there's a reason they're successful because they have great owners and management. The Lakers especially to have been able to do this for decades namely the 80's and 00s


          Success breeds hate

          But everyone here assumes big markets automatically will win titles when people seem to forget the Spurs won 4 titles in the past decade by building a great team and getting a Tim Duncan to succeed a David Robinson. And look at the Knicks an exercise in futility if I ever saw it. If you have an owner willing to spend and a GM willing to build a team it can work in any market. The Thunder are a a rising team and the Mavs won a title despite being in a football centered market.

          There are no guarantees with this trade CP3 goes to the Lakers doesn't mean a title will happen(don't find CP3 to be a big time player personally) I do think he's an upgrade over Fisher but that's about it.

          I don't think he's the type of player worth gutting the Lakers roster for. I think they're better off.

          That being said I don't blame CP3 for being upset since its one thing to be traded its another to have the rest of the NBA dictating where you should go.

          Stern should've been ousted as the Commish would've made things a lot better for the NBA as a whole.
          No one is saying it is fair to LA, but Im sure not crying for them either. I'm not crying for CP3 either, player shouldn't dictate where they go.
          "The greatest thing you know Comes not from above but below" Danzig

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          • Re: Chris Paul is about to be a LA Laker

            Originally posted by HC View Post
            No one is saying it is fair to LA, but Im sure not crying for them either. I'm not crying for CP3 either, player shouldn't dictate where they go.
            Then don't?

            I just find it interesting that fans expect completely loyalty from players yet if something better comes along they're trade bait as far as fans and owners are concerned.

            It is the nature of the business but as I've said before there's no loyalty in professional sports why does anyone expect there to be?

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            • Re: Chris Paul is about to be a LA Laker

              For New Orleans, it was good trade if they wanted to go somewhere and not go somewhere at the same time. There were too many questions for me when it came to this trade...Houston gave up a lot talent for one "old" player. LA took the chance and gave up two good bigs while keeping the one that was the most injury-prone. If LA gave up Bynum instead of Gasol, then I would have thought less of the trade. Even then, you would have the argument that LA gave up "nothing" to acquire him.


              Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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              • Re: Chris Paul is about to be a LA Laker

                Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                Then don't?

                I just find it interesting that fans expect completely loyalty from players yet if something better comes along they're trade bait as far as fans and owners are concerned.

                It is the nature of the business but as I've said before there's no loyalty in professional sports why does anyone expect there to be?
                I don't think it's about loyalty. It's about honoring his contract, and waiting until free agency. Trades are a part of the business, players need to deal with it. They are the employees.
                "The greatest thing you know Comes not from above but below" Danzig

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                • Re: Chris Paul is about to be a LA Laker

                  Stern allowed this player-centered league to get to where it is today. It is time that he resigns. There is no reason that the state of the NBA is where it is right now. He is more for the players than what the players realize.

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                  • Re: Chris Paul is about to be a LA Laker

                    Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
                    Stern allowed this player-centered league to get to where it is today. It is time that he resigns. There is no reason that the state of the NBA is where it is right now. He is more for the players than what the players realize.
                    Nah he's more for the owners because for some inexplicable reason the owners have kept him around when they could've and should've voted him out years ago.

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                    • Re: Chris Paul is about to be a LA Laker

                      Originally posted by presto123 View Post
                      THANK YOU! I can't believe people are siding with Paul on this after the lockout we just went through. Honor your contract and then go where you want.
                      So in other words,screw them in the end and letting them believe you might stay, when you won't. Then in the end all you've done is hurt the team you're currently playing for by not allowing them to get anything for you.

                      Then people will complain that they're selfish SOB's because they didn't allow their team to get anything in return for them when they just leave. They're not going to win no matter what they do with some of you.

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                      • Re: Chris Paul is about to be a LA Laker

                        Phil Jackson saw this coming almost a year ago



                        http://lakers.ocregister.com/2010/12...hornets/45858/

                        Phil Jackson questions NBA owning Hornets

                        December 29th, 2010, 9:00 pm · · posted by KEVIN DING, OCREGISTER.COM



                        NEW ORLEANS — Phil Jackson has said it before, so he said it again: He isn’t confident about the Hornets’ long-term viability in New Orleans.

                        “I don’t know if New Orleans can support a team,” Jackson said.

                        The Hornets had their second sellout of the season Wednesday with the Lakers in town, drawing a season-high 18,018 in New Orleans’ 17th home game of the season (13-4). The franchise was recently bought by the NBA, which prompted Jackson to say: “Not happy about that.”

                        Jackson put forth a scenario where Hornets star Chris Paul might revive his demand for a trade, and Jackson wondered how the league could manage being the one deciding which other franchise would get Paul.

                        “Who’s going to pull the button on it?” Jackson asked. “When Chris says he has to be traded, how’s that going to go? … Someone’s going to have to make a very nonjudgmental decision on that part that’s not going to irritate anyone else in the league.”

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                        • Re: Chris Paul is about to be a LA Laker

                          Now if we had Chris Paul AND were getting into the playoffs each year like the Hornets, we'd be getting like 90-95% of the Fieldhouse filled.
                          In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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                          • Re: Chris Paul is about to be a LA Laker

                            Originally posted by shags View Post
                            Supposedly Dell Demps (the Hornets GM) was told he'd have complete control in making trades that were in the best interest of the team, without interference from the NBA.

                            If I'm Demps, I'd consider resigning over this. It's ridiculous. He got a decent deal and didn't have to deal with the distraction like Denver did last year with Melo.
                            He should be fired.

                            The deal Denver got was many, many times superior to this one. They got young players, one with All_Star potential, draft picks and dumped a ton of salary.The kind of deal you make when you trade your superstar and enter a rebuilding phase.

                            The Hornets even took in tons of salary! They'd get worse and more expensive without getting nothing to rebuild on.

                            I think Dell Demps should have full autonomy to decide trades. The correct procedure here would be to let the trade go through then fire him with just cause.

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                            • Re: Chris Paul is about to be a LA Laker

                              Originally posted by cordobes View Post
                              He should be fired.

                              The deal Denver got was many, many times superior to this one. They got young players, one with All_Star potential, draft picks and dumped a ton of salary.The kind of deal you make when you trade your superstar and enter a rebuilding phase.

                              The Hornets even took in tons of salary! They'd get worse and more expensive without getting nothing to rebuild on.
                              Thus making the Hornets harder to sell and get them out of this horrible situation.
                              "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                              • Re: Chris Paul is about to be a LA Laker

                                Originally posted by cordobes View Post
                                He should be fired.

                                The deal Denver got was many, many times superior to this one. They got young players, one with All_Star potential, draft picks and dumped a ton of salary.The kind of deal you make when you trade your superstar and enter a rebuilding phase.

                                The Hornets even took in tons of salary! They'd get worse and more expensive without getting nothing to rebuild on.

                                I think Dell Demps should have full autonomy to decide trades. The correct procedure here would be to let the trade go through then fire him with just cause.
                                This Louis Scola is on a bad contact for a rebuilding team on the wrong side of 30 that deal was garbage. He should of got young talent like a Rondo or Steph Curry someone who would at least sell tickets while they completely rebuild.


                                This deal is like Murphleavy bad for the Hornets.

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