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Rajon Rondo to Indiana: Round II?

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  • Re: Rajon Rondo to Indiana: Round II?

    Originally posted by BillS View Post
    At some point you choose to pay the LT if you have a strong team. We are pretty certain Simon is willing to do that.
    That's kind of what I was getting at. I wonder if Simon is still willing.
    Passion. Pride. Patience. Pacers

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    • Re: Rajon Rondo to Indiana: Round II?

      Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post


      Its always said that "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is." This sounds too good to be true.

      I have to agree it just sounds too good. It's the Pacers we are talking about not some elite team getting this deal. Too many last minute trade deadline trades have gone sour for me to not be skeptical of such a deal happening for the PACERS.

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      • Re: Rajon Rondo to Indiana: Round II?

        2 things, I am surprised that Granger is untouchable in trades,(http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.co...s-rajon-rondo/)

        and if this team does end up taking shape I wonder if it is too high powered a team for Vogel. He will really have to make this group mesh, bringing in a lot of veteran stars might not be as easy for him, but I guess we will see soon.
        Why so SERIOUS

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        • Re: Rajon Rondo to Indiana: Round II?

          Originally posted by Pingu View Post
          I think the reason why the Celtics want to swap Rondo for Paul is exactly the reason why most people on this board wouldn't give up Granger for Rondo: Rondo just doesn't bring enough to the table scoring-wise.

          This becomes a big problem for the Celtics with KG fading and Allen looking like he's finally on the decline too.

          Take the big 3 away, and the Rondo-led Celtics would be bottom feeders. I think that Paul-led Celtics, even without the big 3, could be a playoff team in the East.
          I think the reason why the Celtics swap Rondo for CP3 is because Ainge is going to make one last run and "go All in" with the Geriatric 3, JONeal and CP3.

          The cost is hefty....VERY HEFTY....but Ray, JONeal and the Big Douche come off the books after this season and the Celtics will have ZERO Draft Picks but only $12.6 mil in guaranteed Salary owed to Pierce and Avery Bradley.

          If all else fails and CP3 decides NOT to stay with the Celtics and CP3....then they will have more than enough CapSpace oom to make offers to 2 MAX RFAs next season and see if any of the Owners "blink". Even if they don't, they will have opportunities given their Capspace situation next season.
          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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          • Re: Rajon Rondo to Indiana: Round II?

            Originally posted by CableKC View Post
            I think the reason why the Celtics swap Rondo for CP3 is because Ainge is going to make one last run and "go All in" with the Geriatric 3, JONeal and CP3.

            The cost is hefty....VERY HEFTY....but Ray, JONeal and the Big Douche come off the books after this season and the Celtics will have ZERO Draft Picks but only $12.6 mil in guaranteed Salary owed to Pierce and Avery Bradley.

            If all else fails and CP3 decides NOT to stay with the Celtics and CP3....then they will have more than enough CapSpace oom to make offers to 2 MAX RFAs next season and see if any of the Owners "blink". Even if they don't, they will have opportunities given their Capspace situation next season.
            I wouldn't worry about the Celts. That's a historic franchise and they'll lure FA. Pacers, not so much with the luring of big time FA.
            First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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            • Re: Rajon Rondo to Indiana: Round II?

              Originally posted by NewEra View Post
              By EOB staff

              So there's kind of a lot going on right now in terms of Chris Paul. It's extremely likely that he'll still be a Hornet when camp starts Friday, and very likely that he'll still be one when the season starts on December 25th. But there has been such a deafening cacophony of intelligence (or absence thereof, depending on your view of the media) regarding who is in the Hunt for Paul, that we need to keep an eye on things.

              11:33 a.m.

              The Celtics are back in the action. Yahoo! Sports reports that with the Clippers and Warriors both unwilling to give up players who are not as good as Chris Paul (Stephen Curry, Eric Gordon) to get Chris Paul due to fear he will depart in free agency, the Celtics have re-emerged as a viable candidate despite Paul's reluctance to be traded there or sign long-term. It should be noted that the current reticence by both Golden State and Los Angeles completely overlooks the fact that under the new CBA, there is literally no financial incentive for Paul to sign an extension versus entering free agency and re-signing with their team once they prove they can win. And if they don't win, then the experiment is a failure and it's time to start over anyway. Considering both franchises won a combined 68 games last year, it's a bit odd. But the fear of a true rebuild is too devastating for them. Now on to the Celtics.

              The Celtics situation goes something like this. Being Boston, they don't have the same fears as most franchises do in regards to players abandoning them. If they can win the title, then have the cap space in 2012 to make a run at Dwight Howard, that might be what it takes to sway Paul's mind and convince him to stay, so the risk would be worth the reward in trading for him without an extension or assurances he'll re-sign. Yahoo! reports a deal being offered involves a three-way-swap with Indiana, in which the Pacers get Rajon Rondo who the Hornets aren't gaga over, and the Hornets get Darren Collison, who they traded in 2010 to Indiana, back, along with Tyler Hansbrough, Brandon Rush, and draft picks. The Hornets want Danny Granger, but there's no indication if Indiana is open to that deal, despite Granger having been on the block for years. That's an awful lot for the Pacers to give up just to get Rajon Rondo, despite Rondo being one of the best point guards in the league. In short, he's not Chris Paul.

              Meanwhile, a small note in the Yahoo! report says Kobe Bryant and Chris Paul have spoken by phone this week as the Lakers continue to try and land the ultimate coup of both Paul and Dwight Howard as well. So the heavy hitters are very much in the room on this.

              The Boston Herald reports that a source close to Paul says the Celtics' window is too short, having only one year of contention. But if the Celtics were to immediately land Dwight Howard in free agency, that might convince Paul to re-sign, especially with the lure of the extra year available to the Celtics under the new CBA. Other teams would only be able to offer a four-year deal, vs. Boston's five. That might add even more incentive for the Lakers to pull of a trade for Howard, since it would block Boston from being able to put the two together, as well as, you know, giving the Lakers the best center in the league.

              ESPN.com reports that the Lakers are offering Pau Gasol as the centerpiece of any deal, while wanting to keep their best asset, Andrew Bynum, as a trade chip to attempt to acquire Howard. Gasol is 31 with three years and $57 million left on his deal, so it's hard to see the Hornets opting to take in Gasol, which would leave the Lakers trying to pull in a third team to make a deal with.

              We've joked about it before, we'll joke about it again. Like the owers said, this new CBA that cost the league 16 games will help improve competitive balance... for the top five teams in the league on both coasts.


              http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssp...48484/33754718
              ...man i just dont know if i like that. if some how we land nene, then yes, i'm all for it, but only then.

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              • Re: Rajon Rondo to Indiana: Round II?

                Getting Rondo without giving up any really major prospects? Mackey said it earlier. Too good to be true.
                "man, PG has been really good."

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                • Re: Rajon Rondo to Indiana: Round II?

                  I love how you guys add Nene to your starting lineups like he signed here. Hate to say it but he's going to let us down. Now...

                  Am I the only one who doesn't like this trade? I don't see how you give up on Tyler like that then throw in DC and firsts? For a PG that can't shoot? Unless we're receiving more, I hate it.

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                  • Re: Rajon Rondo to Indiana: Round II?

                    Originally posted by I Love P View Post
                    I love how you guys add Nene to your starting lineups like he signed here. Hate to say it but he's going to let us down. Now...

                    Am I the only one who doesn't like this trade? I don't see how you give up on Tyler like that then throw in DC and firsts? For a PG that can't shoot? Unless we're receiving more, I hate it.
                    Give up on a sixth man type of player at the deepest position in the league for an extreme upgrade to an elite player at the most important position?

                    You. Don't. Even. Hesitate.

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                    • Re: Rajon Rondo to Indiana: Round II?

                      This deal makes perfect sense for the Celtics.

                      Chris Paul is a lot better than Rajon Rondo. He's the best PG in the league and without question, one of the 7 best players in the world. He gives them a much better chance to win a title this season with their aging stars.

                      This deal makes perfect sense for the Pacers.

                      Rajon Rondo is immediately the best player on the team. He turns their worst position (which also happens to be the most important) into a major strength. They don't give up their best player, player with most potential, or young center.

                      The deal makes zero sense for the Hornets.

                      Giving up the best player in a trade is generally a bad idea. Giving up the best player in a 3 way trade and not getting the 2nd best player back is always a bad idea. When there are two All-Star point guards involved in the trade and all the team giving the best one is getting back is a collection of young-ish (Collison, Hansbrough, and Rush are all older than their years in the league suggest they should be) & low potential players, and some mid to late draft picks, the trade will never happen.

                      It is way too lopsided against the Hornets to be realistic.
                      "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

                      -Lance Stephenson

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                      • Re: Rajon Rondo to Indiana: Round II?

                        Originally posted by I Love P View Post
                        I love how you guys add Nene to your starting lineups like he signed here. Hate to say it but he's going to let us down. Now...

                        Am I the only one who doesn't like this trade? I don't see how you give up on Tyler like that then throw in DC and firsts? For a PG that can't shoot? Unless we're receiving more, I hate it.
                        If Nene cares about winning, who else would be more attractive than Indiana? The Nets may not have Deron next year, the Nuggets are a big question mark, same with Houston. Indiana with Nene AND Rondo would easily compete for a championship.

                        Also, he has no need to shoot on a team that has KG, Ray, and Pierce. Those three alone can carry the scoring load. I think he'd score 14-16 ppg in Indy. Besides, he's a top 5 pg in the league. If you are offered a top 5 talent for Hans and Dc, you've just gotta do it.
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                        • Re: Rajon Rondo to Indiana: Round II?

                          Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
                          It is way too lopsided against the Hornets to be realistic.
                          While I half way agree with you, beggers can't be choosers. The Hornets have very little leverage in this situaiton.

                          They can either find the best offer, which isn't going to be much without a guarantee from CP3 on re-signing, or they can get nothing and watch him leave.

                          Even if the Hornets get fleeced, it's still better than watching him walk out the door with nothing to hang your hat on.
                          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                          • Re: Rajon Rondo to Indiana: Round II?

                            Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                            Give up on a sixth man type of player at the deepest position in the league for an extreme upgrade to an elite player at the most important position?

                            You. Don't. Even. Hesitate.
                            Mackey is right. We upgrade over Collison so we are only losing Hans and picks. I know we all love Tyler and Game 1 was awesome, but if you think just in terms of value, we have to do this.

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                            • Re: Rajon Rondo to Indiana: Round II?

                              I would be willing to send Tyler and DC w/picks to get Rondo. I'd do that quicker than a hiccup. But Nene would have to be a lock to come here. I'd hate to send Danny away when it looks like weve finally have a chance to make some real noise.

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                              • Re: Rajon Rondo to Indiana: Round II?

                                Would anyone rather send Hibby over Hans?

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