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The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

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  • #91
    Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
    I think he was talking about 45wins in a regular season.
    I know. I still think we win more games than that given ghill and players develop.
    Last edited by Gamble1; 12-01-2011, 01:38 PM.

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    • #92
      Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

      Originally posted by Speed View Post
      I wonder where Deron wants to go, then?
      Read that it is better for him to not sign the extension no matter what he does, because once the season is over he can sign a 5 yr deal with NJ for 101 mill, or 4 for like 78 with another team, instead of the 2 yr extension for 39, basically he will open his chances for making more money in the long run.
      Why so SERIOUS

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      • #93
        Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

        Wow, so it seems that the only two teams really targeting west are us and the Hornets, meaning his initial offer price will be pretty low, I think when other teams hear what the actual offers are then there will end up being more people putting offers in for him.

        If not I would not mind getting him for cheap, not sure if NBA contracts can be worked out similar to football with tons of bonuses at the end but if so, I would start the contract a little lower, and add a ton of bonuses.

        The only way that I think this could be justified would be if the offer including the bonuses was more than what other teams are offering. But I would include a points bonus, games played bonus, etc..., I think it would be worth a try.
        Why so SERIOUS

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        • #94
          Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

          I remember the NBA during the negotiations had a mock up on how teams could build with the new CBA. Basically a tool to try to convince the players they'll still get paid. IIRC,

          One max player
          two 8-12 mill players
          Three 5-7 mill players

          I really could be off, but if you got Danny, there's one of the 8-12 mill guys. If you can get DWest, there's your other. You still have the 3 slots for the 5-7 million guys, could be George Hill, Paul George, Tyler, DC, Roy. That still leaves you that max slot...

          What you don't want to do is put Nene or the like in that Max slot when he should be one of your two 8-12 million dollar players. That prohibits you from building it, in the right way.

          Detroit was referenced in another thread, they did it wrong (sorry Kstat), but they had 4 or 5 guys above what their slotted salary should be. That has a trickle down effect on the entire roster. All of sudden your two 8-10 guys should have been 5-7 guys and you can't get a max player.

          I'm rambling... my point is, its not that Nene isn't a good player or that he isn't a good fit. It's that if you over pay him (or anybody) you screw the other moves you need to make in the future.

          I'd rather have DWest now (or even no one) and then, maybe EJ and maybe Deron Williams (or at least a shot) later than basically just Nene now and what next year? Someone who fills your 5-7 slot instead of a max player. Plus maybe you can't retain part of your promising young core in the future?

          I'm just saying you really have to look at value and the future impact moreso than just if the player(s) can help you now, in a vacuum.
          Last edited by Speed; 12-01-2011, 01:52 PM.

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          • #95
            Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

            Where does this designated player option come into all this? Cause I keep hearing things about offering 2 max deals next year, and i keep hearing things that each team is only allowed one max contract guy.
            You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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            • #96
              Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

              Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
              Where does this designated player option come into all this? Cause I keep hearing things about offering 2 max deals next year, and i keep hearing things that each team is only allowed one max contract guy.
              Ya, I'd like to know too. Maybe I misunderstood, dreamed it. I swear I've read that, though.

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              • #97
                Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

                Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                Where does this designated player option come into all this? Cause I keep hearing things about offering 2 max deals next year, and i keep hearing things that each team is only allowed one max contract guy.
                Each team only has one 5 year max deal available. You can "max" it out at 4 years however many times you want though.
                Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                • #98
                  Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

                  Not a rumor but it sure would be interesting to hear something about undrafted free agents, I wanted us to check out:

                  Greg Smith
                  Jaime Skeen
                  Malcolm Thomas
                  Possibly Rick Jackson
                  Why so SERIOUS

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                  • #99
                    Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

                    http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-chat-w...ham-1212011-2/


                    Eric P

                    Since you know him well. Should my Pacers throw money at Jammal Crawford?



                    Joel Brigham

                    Jamal Crawford is really interesting in free agency to me for a lot of reasons. For starters, he’s probably the best scorer available in free agency at the moment (we’ll see if amnesty cuts change that), but I have no idea what kind of money he’s going to command. When he threw a fit in Atlanta early last season over his not getting extended, I remember him saying he was worth $10 million a season. He did nothing but justify that all season long and well into the playoffs, but I can’t think of many teams that would offer him that kind of money.

                    I can, however, think of about five or six teams that would happily offer him the full $5 million MLE, but will Crawford take half of what he’s worth to play with a contender? I’m not so sure he will, especially if there’s more than out there to play with a competitive team. We’ll see.

                    In any event, I’ve said for the last several months that I thought Indiana could be a solid spot for Crawford to end up. I don’t think they really have a cut-and-dry starting two guard there, even though George Hill and Paul George could both technically hold the position down if the need called for it. Indy’s got enough money to pursue someone like Crawford and a big guy, and I’d be in support of them doing both. To start Crawford at 2, then bring Hill and George as the 1-2 punch off the bench along with Hansbrough, assuming he’s not a starter himself, gives them a pretty thick team. I like Crawford in Indy, but I guess I can see him fitting well with a lot of teams. He’s a good guy that’s done a little bit everything in the league. From what I hear, teams like that versatile resume of his.
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                    • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

                      Speed I understand your point, I agree that West could help us win some games but like I said before I just don't see him as a big upgrade, are the likes of Dwill, CP3 or Howard going to come here because we have Dwest? I don't think so, it would be similar to the Cleveland sign of Mo, Shaq and Jamison in trying to keep Lebron.

                      Like I said before in another thread, I think that a team with Dwest could makes us maybe a top five team in the east and a team with Nene could make us at least the second or third best team in the east, matching up againts Nene/Hibbert is way more dificult than maching up with Dwest/Hibbert.

                      I say let's get Nene and like Larry said in the press conference, the Pacers are going to have 11 more millions to expend next year and then we could probably dream in bringing CP3,Dwill or whoever here.


                      edit: A team with DC,PG,Danny,Nene and Hibbert is more enticing that a team with DC,PG,Danny,Dwest,Hibbert in my opinion.
                      Last edited by vnzla81; 12-01-2011, 02:19 PM.
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                      • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

                        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                        Speed I understand your point, I agree that West could help us win some games but like I said before I just don't see him as a big upgrade, are the likes of Dwill, CP3 or Howard going to come here because we have Dwest? I don't think so, it would be similar to the Cleveland sign of Mo, Shaq and Jamison in trying to keep Lebron.

                        Like I said before in another thread, I think that a team with Dwest could makes us maybe a top five team in the east and a team with Nene could make us at least the second or third best team in the east, matching up againts Nene/Hibbert is way more dificult than maching up with Dwest/Hibbert.

                        I say let's get Nene and like Larry said in the press conference, the Pacers are going to have 11 more millions to expend next year and then we could probably dream in bringing CP3,Dwill or whoever here.


                        edit: A team with DC,PG,Danny,Nene and Hibbert is more enticing that a team with DC,PG,Danny,Dwest,Hibbert in my opinion.
                        If we get west for below market value we'll have a ton more space and flexibility than signing nene for the max, which he will probably get.

                        You can't just compare in a vacuum. Jettisoning posey and signing west may preserve most of all of the cap we have. (provided noone makes him a huge offer.)
                        Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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                        • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                          Speed I understand your point, I agree that West could help us win some games but like I said before I just don't see him as a big upgrade, are the likes of Dwill, CP3 or Howard going to come here because we have Dwest? I don't think so, it would be similar to the Cleveland sign of Mo, Shaq and Jamison in trying to keep Lebron.

                          Like I said before in another thread, I think that a team with Dwest could makes us maybe a top five team in the east and a team with Nene could make us at least the second or third best team in the east, matching up againts Nene/Hibbert is way more dificult than maching up with Dwest/Hibbert.

                          I say let's get Nene and like Larry said in the press conference, the Pacers are going to have 11 more millions to expend next year and then we could probably dream in bringing CP3,Dwill or whoever here.


                          edit: A team with DC,PG,Danny,Nene and Hibbert is more enticing that a team with DC,PG,Danny,Dwest,Hibbert in my opinion.
                          Exactly, I'd love to see Wade and Lebron try to drive it through our Twin Towers line up. Then on the other end how could Bosh and Joel Anthony hope to contain them? How???....

                          Then after they block a shot they could bust into a Capoeira routine.
                          You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                          • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

                            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                            Like I said before in another thread, I think that a team with Dwest could makes us maybe a top five team in the east and a team with Nene could make us at least the second or third best team in the east, matching up againts Nene/Hibbert is way more dificult than maching up with Dwest/Hibbert.
                            If Nene could make the Pacers the second or third best then I'd have a hard time arguing against it, for sure. I'm not sure I agree that it would, though.

                            I agree with it conceptually though, if there is one player that gets them to that level, you have to do it. You could argue your a contender then. Thats all I want from signing a "max" type player.

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                            • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

                              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                              Speed I understand your point, I agree that West could help us win some games but like I said before I just don't see him as a big upgrade, are the likes of Dwill, CP3 or Howard going to come here because we have Dwest? I don't think so, it would be similar to the Cleveland sign of Mo, Shaq and Jamison in trying to keep Lebron.

                              Like I said before in another thread, I think that a team with Dwest could makes us maybe a top five team in the east and a team with Nene could make us at least the second or third best team in the east, matching up againts Nene/Hibbert is way more dificult than maching up with Dwest/Hibbert.

                              I say let's get Nene and like Larry said in the press conference, the Pacers are going to have 11 more millions to expend next year and then we could probably dream in bringing CP3,Dwill or whoever here.


                              edit: A team with DC,PG,Danny,Nene and Hibbert is more enticing that a team with DC,PG,Danny,Dwest,Hibbert in my opinion.
                              Especially if we are going for a defensive mindset this year. I also doubt that any of those free agents will come to Indy, for various reasons.

                              Even though I think this has zero chance or happening, I would like to grab a big 4/5 for defensive purpose, primarily a back up guy. Get D Will next offseason, trade for a early pick in the draft and grab a young PF. Really I would not mind getting Derrick Favors, his confidence will be a lot better this year, and if he can learn to stay out of foul trouble then he will be a beast.

                              Dwill, GH, PG, Favors, Roy, I think that could be a exciting group to watch, especially if PG and Favors make the jumps that I think they will this year.
                              Why so SERIOUS

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                              • Re: The official 2011/12 NBA rumors and reports thread

                                Interesting, I could see this coming though.

                                From Marc J. Spears of Yahoo! Sports: "Paul's agent informed New Orleans officials on Wednesday that his client will not sign a contract extension and wants to be traded to the New York Knicks, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. As soon as the NBA lifts its lockout restrictions, Hornets general manager Dell Demps wants to meet with Paul and hear that directive from him."
                                Why so SERIOUS

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