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as per RealGM...its now in the 14th hour...wow
as per RealGM...its now in the 14th hour...wow
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"So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.
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NEW YORK (AP) - NBA players and owners met for more than 14 hours with a federal mediator, hoping to deliver the progress Commissioner David Stern says is needed to avoid canceling more games.
The talks started about 10 a.m. Tuesday. Stern sought immediate results in just one day of mediation, saying during interviews last week that proposals could get worse and more games could be lost without a deal.
"If there's a breakthrough, it's going to come on Tuesday,'' he told NBA TV. "And if not, I think that the season is really going to potentially escape from us because we aren't making any progress.''
This was the longest negotiating session since owners locked out players when the old collective bargaining agreement expired at the end of the day June 30.
In another interview, Stern told WFAN radio in New York that his "gut'' was there wouldn't be NBA games on Christmas if the 110th day of the lockout ended without a deal.
Large gaps remain, with both sides seeking 53 percent of basketball revenues and players opposing owners' attempts to significantly change the salary cap system.
George Cohen, who was appointed director of the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service in 2009, met with the sides individually at their offices Monday before both brought their full bargaining committees to a hotel Tuesday. The union said it wanted to have the whole week set aside for negotiations, but owners have two days of board meetings beginning Wednesday.
Stern wants to be able to bring them a deal. If not, they may have to discuss further cancellations after the first two weeks of the season were already wiped out.
Cohen was present for talks between NFL owners and players for 16 days in February and March before that mediation broke off.
He previously helped broker a deal between Major League Soccer and its players and was lead lawyer for the baseball players' union when it won an injunction against its owners in 1995, ending the 7 1/2-month strike.
"So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.
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LOL!
This keeps getting re-tweeted as an official pic from inside the labor meetings.Comment
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Watch the video...probably no deal tonight:
"So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.
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FisolaNYDN by sam_amick
Mark Cuban issues a "no comment" as he leaves the meeting. And this is not a false alarmComment
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alanhahn
Heard the mediation is over for now....but plan is to meet again tomorrow....make that later today. #NBAComment
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wow apparently meeting again tomorrow at 10am? that's pretty hardcore surely they wouldn't be so gung ho about meeting again after 16 hours if nothing positive came of itComment
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Ken Berger article
Marathon mediation leads to another meeting
Posted on: October 19, 2011 3:02 am
NEW YORK -- After a marathon, 16-hour bargaining session supervised by federal mediator George Cohen, negotiators for the NBA and its players' association left a Manhattan hotel after 2 a.m. ET Wednesday with no comment -- but with another meeting scheduled hours later in an attempt to end the lockout.
The two sides will reconvene at 10 a.m. Cohen requested that both sides refrain from making public comments, and both sides obliged.
"Nothing has been agreed to," said a person who was briefed on the talks. "There was nothing to say."
Negotiators rehashed the issues they've been wrestling with for more than two years, with the difference being that Cohen, according to a source, "took the emotion out of it." No topics were excluded from the mediation session, including the biggest obstacles in the way of a deal -- the split of revenues and a revised luxury tax system that would replace the hard team salary cap owners long sought in their efforts to achieve parity and competitive balance.
Cohen, a presidential appointee and the top federal mediator in the country, was at least able to do something that the two sides had been unable to do during a recent flurry of negotiations: focus on bridging the gap between them as opposed to concentrating on their own, still widely divergent positions, a source said.
At one point late into the night, it was decided that the two sides needed to come back later Wednesday -- a session that is expected to decide whether the change of format and removal of emotion will yield movement in each side's position.
Both sides clearly realized it was time to make a deal, but neither was ready to do it in this -- by far the longest -- bargaining session of the 3 1-2 month lockout.
A meeting of the owners' labor relations committee previously scheduled for Wednesday morning will be replaced by that committee's bargaining session with the players, again under Cohen's supervision. The owners' full Board of Governors is scheduled to meet Wednesday night, and Thursday, the planning committee is scheduled to present to the full board its revenue sharing plan -- a key cog in the logjammed talks.
The meeting began at 10 a.m. Tuesday and finally broke up at 2 a.m. Wednesday, when both sides decided to return to the bargaining table eight hours later.Comment
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Oh great.
Bryant Gumbel Calls NBA Commish "Plantation Overseer"
TV talker goes racial as pro basketball talks falter
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By Greg Wilson | Wednesday, Oct 19, 2011 | Updated 8:46 AM EDT
Bryant Gumbel invoked race in a televised editorial on the NBA's strained labor talks, likening league Commissioner David Stern to a "plantation overseer."
Gumbel ended Tuesday's edition of HBO's "Real Sports" by taking aim at Stern, who he said is to blame for the lockout that threatens the entire season. He said Stern's "disdain for the players" is "pathetic."
"But his efforts were typical of a commissioner, who has always seemed eager to be viewed as some kind of modern plantation overseer treating NBA men as if they were his boys," Gumbel said. "Itโs part of Sternโs M.O. Like his past self-serving edicts on dress code or the questioning of officials, his moves are intended to do little more than show how heโs the one keeping the hired hands in their place."
Gumbel has often played the race card when talking sports. In 2006, when then-NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue was leaving office, he said Tagliabue kept Players Union boss Gene Upshaw on a "leash" as his "personal pet." The comment was widely viewed as having a racial overtone.
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"Try not to laugh when someone says these are the worldโs greatest athletes, despite a paucity of blacks that makes the Winter Games look like a GOP convention," Gumbel said.
The NBA and its players union were talking with a federal mediator present into early Wednesday morning in a marathon effort to bridge their gap.The league's lockout is 111 days old, and the first two weeks of the season have already been canceled.
Talks are hung up on how to divide revenue and the league's salary cap. Owners want to cut the playersโ share of revenues to 47 percent from 57 percent. The owners have dropped their demand for a hard salary cap but they insist on new restrictions on the soft-cap system.
The average salary in the NBA is $4.8 million, the highest in all professional sports."Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." โKevin Pritchard press conference
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Some of you need to re-read (assuming you ever did to begin with) the first post. It's getting ridiculous.Comment
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By the way, this meeting will end soon because the owners meeting is scheduled for 2pm. They didn't cancel or postpone them for further talk with union.Comment
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2 pm meeting among owners (Board of Governors) pushed back to this evening, so mediation can continue, source...about 8 tweets from NBA media huddled at the hotel where the mediation is taking place.Comment
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Berger saying there are still owners who would rather miss season that take a bad deal.Comment
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If I may post a comment in here as a suggestion, its sort of hard to generate discussion in the discussion thread when news only gets posted in here. JMO
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BillS
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...Comment
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