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"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

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There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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  • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

    How about Andrew Nicholson? Anyone know much about him? He's been drawing comparisons to David West.

    Or how about Drew Gordon? Beastly rebounding numbers.

    I remember p4e talking up Festus Ezeli early on. Sounds like draft scouts have caught up with him

    Anyway, it sounds like there will be quite a few good bigs in our draft range.

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      Honestly, I want Zeller or Sullinger to start falling and for the Pacers to trade up to get one of them.

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        Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
        Honestly, I want Zeller or Sullinger to start falling and for the Pacers to trade up to get one of them.
        i would be please as hell if we some how ended up with sullinger. then some how bought a second round pick and drafted draymond green.

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        • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

          Originally posted by Dr. house View Post
          i would be please as hell if we some how ended up with sullinger. then some how bought a second round pick and drafted draymond green.
          Draymond will go in the 1st IMO. He would be great for a team like the Spurs he could fill Boris Diaw's role very well.


          Andrew Nicholson while talented he reminds me so much of Ike Digou but can shoot to 20ft very well has all the moves around the basket but really isnt a smart player. He is a black hole in the paint a lot could be do to playing on a crap team. One of my few exceptions about looking and taking what happens in workouts seriously I need to see how he plays with talent.I cant see him play in workouts so I wont know. But other than a few exceptions workouts IMO are really stupid I dont get how guys rise so much watch the tape and you will get the same sense if not 1000% better feel for what kind of athlete and player the guy is.

          Im gonna laugh when arnett moultrie rises due to workouts do not want lazy player on tape but in workouts will probably look like a hell of a player. Guys who quit on there team in college and take so many plays off are hard to fix guys like him need the right situation with teammates and a coach who can hopefully change his mental approach to the game.. He and renardo sidney are so much alike in that sense must be something in the water down there

          Im still madly in love with Damian Lillard I think he goes top 7 I know I would take him there he has it all great athlete hell of a competitor best shooter in the draft and is as smart as the come at the pg spot. Wonder if a GM has the balls to draft a kid from Weber top 10 I would because I think he is elite but kind of hard to convince your owner to pick a kid from such a bad basketball program.

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          • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

            nbadraft.net mock has us picking Tony Wroten Jr. I have only seen him in the McDonalds Allstar Game, and I LOVED what I saw from him. Havent seen much of him in college. From what I saw, incredible playmaking potential in a 6'5 PG. I think its a highrisk/highreward pick, as I've heard issues with maturity (anyone have any specifics on this?), but I say he would be a great pick if he falls to us. Could very well develop into our starting PG, and one with the natural gifts to get the ball to our bigs where they need to ball to succeed with some drive and dish skills.
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            • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

              Originally posted by Ratking View Post
              nbadraft.net mock has us picking Tony Wroten Jr. I have only seen him in the McDonalds Allstar Game, and I LOVED what I saw from him. Havent seen much of him in college. From what I saw, incredible playmaking potential in a 6'5 PG. I think its a highrisk/highreward pick, as I've heard issues with maturity (anyone have any specifics on this?), but I say he would be a great pick if he falls to us. Could very well develop into our starting PG, and one with the natural gifts to get the ball to our bigs where they need to ball to succeed with some drive and dish skills.
              I wouldn't go that direction I saw a lack of focus all season. A lot like Lance in college will make great plays and then look very foolish. His jumpers is totally broke and you cant play him in crunch time major liability in terms of FT shooting. I think he could become a nice scoring SG but I don't view him as a pg and the risk isnt really worth the reward (for the Pacers). If a team like GS or another team who can be patient with him and groom him he could be a real good one. I dont think he has the feel for the PG spot he should of went back to Washington and played PG full time Gaddy played in most of the season. I view him a lot like I viewed Iman Shumpert last year should be able to score at the next level a bit but in terms of playing pg I dont see it at all yes he has good vision but that doesnt make him a pg. His dumb mistakes and poor decisions will really hurt. He does get to the rim very well but until he can hit his FTs at a decent clip it doesnt do a ton of good. He would defiantly need 3 years to improve his shot and decision making I dont know what kind of work ethic if it is great I can see the though but if he has poor work ethic he will be a bust.

              PS nbadraft.net is the worst draft site out there take what they say with a big grain of salt more than other sights. If Tayshawn Taylor goes 59th I would lose it. Hell of a player I would take 1st rd has top 10 talent(hasnt put it all together yet) just needs to make better decisions at times but hell of a talent IMO I would defiantly take him late 1st if he was there.
              Last edited by pacer4ever; 05-26-2012, 09:27 PM.

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              • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                Thanks for the info on Wroten. I see Chad Ford has Kendall Marshall as 18 on his top 100. What do people think we would need to give up to trade up for him? Do you think it would be worth it? I know he isnt at all a threat to score himself, but he could really bring out the best in the rest of the starters if he were given the keys. Might be the leader we need.
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                • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                  Originally posted by Ratking View Post
                  Thanks for the info on Wroten. I see Chad Ford has Kendall Marshall as 18 on his top 100. What do people think we would need to give up to trade up for him? Do you think it would be worth it? I know he isnt at all a threat to score himself, but he could really bring out the best in the rest of the starters if he were given the keys. Might be the leader we need.
                  I want no part of Marshall his defense is beyond pathetic and I just don't get what he does well outside of great outlet passing. I dont want him at all he only makes sense for a team that wants to push the ball like PHX. I just think his weaknesses will kill him in the NBA and make him not a very good NBA player a lot like I viewed Tyler Hans he was built to play in a UNC type uptempo style and his game I dont think will translate well. I could be totally wrong but thats just my opinion from watching him.


                  I would be beyond pissed if we traded up for him. Now Lillard I would consider trading up for but Marshall I dont want in the 1st rd at all.

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                    Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                    I want no part of Marshall his defense is beyond pathetic and I just don't get what he does well outside of great outlet passing. I dont want him at all he only makes sense for a team that wants to push the ball like PHX. I just think his weaknesses will kill him in the NBA and make him not a very good NBA player a lot like I viewed Tyler Hans he was built to play in a UNC type uptempo style and his game I dont think will translate well. I could be totally wrong but thats just my opinion from watching him.


                    I would be beyond pissed if we traded up for him. Now Lillard I would consider trading up for but Marshall I dont want in the 1st rd at all.

                    The Pacers desparately need more quickness andMarshall is not fast and as you noted plays poor defense because of it. I would like to see more of Wroten who is much quicker and has good ball handling. He is worth taking some risk on.
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                    • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                      jeff taylor wouldn't be too bad at 26. hopefully he could be that elite defender who can knock down the open 3, a la bruce bowen

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                        I'm not sure why Jeffrey Taylor isn't projected higher than the end of the 1st round. I believe he had a pretty solid game against Kentucky, and he's pretty athletic.

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                        • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                          The thought of moving up in the draft has crossed my mind, too. I'd have to think a combination of our pick (#26) and Darren Collison could move us up quite a few spots, perhaps high enough to nab one of the PF's currently projected to go mid-to-late lottery; Jared Sullinger, Perry Jones, and John Henson.

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                          • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                            Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post
                            The thought of moving up in the draft has crossed my mind, too. I'd have to think a combination of our pick (#26) and Darren Collison could move us up quite a few spots, perhaps high enough to nab one of the PF's currently projected to go mid-to-late lottery; Jared Sullinger, Perry Jones, and John Henson.
                            If the Pacers decide to move up they should use Tyler not Collison as trade bait. I am not sure either though gets you into the mid to late lottery though.

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                            • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                              Only 2 options for me, someone who is big that can be a backup center, or someone who has not played anywhere close to their potential but has the mindset to be aggressive and take over. I think this is something every successful playoff team has. Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Peirce, Manu, KD, Westbrook, Rose. I know these guys are superstars, but drafting at the position we are at, the only way we have a shot of getting someone who can turn into half the person any of these guys are is to draft a aggressive guy with a lot of potential that has not reached his potential for obvious reasons.

                              In no way am I saying that anyone we pick at #26 will turn out to be these guys.

                              Some guys that would be interesting.

                              Rivers, Harkness, Tyshawn, Teague and Quincy Miller. In all likely hood we will have the chance to get possibly Tyshawn, Teague, or Harkness and even that might be a stretch, with Tyshawn really being the only guy available. For this reason I see us going with the first option of a backup center, and there are tons of guy at that spot that will be available, O'Quinn, Ezeli, and possibly Fab if he falls.

                              I really like O'Quinn, I like his toughness, and his rebounding, his leadership and his shooting ability, I would not be mad at all if he was the selection at 26.
                              Why so SERIOUS

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                              • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                                I have zero interest in moving up. There will be some talented players available when we draft. Stay there and draft smart.

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