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  • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

    I see a more defensive minded Juan Dixon. With more range. He could climb up the draft boards. But the workouts will determine how far he will climb.

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    • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

      Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
      I see a more defensive minded Juan Dixon. With more range. He could climb up the draft boards. But the workouts will determine how far he will climb.
      Shooting wise I could see the comparison to Dixon at least in college. But Dixon didn't have good body control and couldn't finish at the rim or really even get to the rim. He was kind of skinny plus I didnt think Juan was a pg. But Juan when healthy was a decent bench player not great but serviceable. Juan wasn't a very hard work I think he failed a few drug tests in Europe and was known as a bit lazy. I think Jeff Teague when I see him but that just me. He should be a good backup at the very least imo.

      to be noted Damian is 6'2 190 but he has a 6'9 wingspan which is bigger than Hill's I believe so he has the size to play both. He also has a 38 in vertical he is athletic as hell Ronnie Price who played with him this summer said he will be a good player and is tough to guard Price is only in the NBA because of his defense.
      Last edited by pacer4ever; 01-09-2012, 06:40 AM.

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      • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

        Kid I keep meaning to check out but I cant find any film on is Scott Machado of Iona. Anyone see him play?? I know he played Purdue this year and had a good game but i missed it. He is leading the nation in assists and seems to be better offensively than Marshall (not that hard of an accomplishment though ) But just like Marshal at UNC Iona plays up tempo so the stats are a little mis leading because of the pace.
        Last edited by pacer4ever; 01-09-2012, 06:56 AM.

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        • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

          Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
          Kid I keep meaning to check out but I cant find any film on is Scott Machado of Iona. Anyone see him play?? I know he played Purdue this year and had a good game but i missed it. He is leading the nation in assists and seems to be better offensively than Marshall (not that hard of an accomplishment though ) But just like Marshal at UNC Iona plays up tempo so the stats are a little mis leading because of the pace.

          The kid lit Richmond up like a Christmas tree. I didn't catch it, though. He is supposed to be a great distributor, but I think a lot of it has more to do with him prioritizing scoring and getting buckets off of that. He is a terrific shooter. I think his talent could translate to the pros with the way he doesn't drop off against better competition. I haven't seen him play, but have read a few articles on him and know what he did against a team I know very well (Richmond). I would love to see him play though.
          "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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          • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
            Kid I keep meaning to check out but I cant find any film on is Scott Machado of Iona. Anyone see him play?? I know he played Purdue this year and had a good game but i missed it. He is leading the nation in assists and seems to be better offensively than Marshall (not that hard of an accomplishment though ) But just like Marshal at UNC Iona plays up tempo so the stats are a little mis leading because of the pace.
            Machado is my favorite non-Hoosier in college basketball this year. You've got to check him out. I could see him being a Rondo-type player in the league. Fast, physical, and is a great passer. I love the guy. Iona will be in my Sweet 16... he's the reason why.

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            • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

              Impressed with Florida's PG Erving Walker. Dude's only 5'8", but has quickness, strength, tenacity and a multi-dimensional game. (And Larry, he's a Senior!) If we were to draft him in the 2nd round, I'd cheer for him hard.


              "He’s no shrinking violet when it comes to that kind of stuff."

              - Rick Carlisle on how Kevin Pritchard responds to needed roster changes.

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                Originally posted by DrFife View Post
                Impressed with Florida's PG Erving Walker. Dude's only 5'8", but has quickness, strength, tenacity and a multi-dimensional game. (And Larry, he's a Senior!) If we were to draft him in the 2nd round, I'd cheer for him hard.
                My favorite small guy is Pierre Jackson dude plays with so much heart. I doubt he makes it in the NBA at least long term but I love watching him play. He has Isiah Thomas type ability(Sacramento Kings )

                FL has way to many guards when you are playing Brad Beal at SF that is an issue to me. Not a big fan of his game for the NBA and no way for the Pacers. I want to get a big in the 2nd rd if they fall. I really like Quincy Acy for us he brings things that our bigs dont do.
                Last edited by pacer4ever; 01-10-2012, 10:18 PM.

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                  Originally posted by DrFife View Post
                  Impressed with Florida's PG Erving Walker. Dude's only 5'8", but has quickness, strength, tenacity and a multi-dimensional game. (And Larry, he's a Senior!) If we were to draft him in the 2nd round, I'd cheer for him hard.
                  Only thing I dont like about Walker is the fact that he chucks it, straight up. I know UF plays small and count on him to do a lot, but he shoots a lot of questionable shots. I guess he can stroke it though so that can be fixed and hed be tough. If he worked that out, he seems like a solid player to me
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                  • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                    Jeremy Lamb would be nice!
                    Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                    • Since we are picking later in the draft likely...take a look at sophomore creighton forward Greg McDermott or senior center (seven footer) Greg echenique. Echenique may get drafted (likely will) but McDermott may be an all American...he will leave when he can word on the street is. Great shooter and his post moves to boot. Likely be 3-4 at the NBA level.

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                        Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
                        Since we are picking later in the draft likely...take a look at sophomore creighton forward Greg McDermott or senior center (seven footer) Greg echenique. Echenique may get drafted (likely will) but McDermott may be an all American...he will leave when he can word on the street is. Great shooter and his post moves to boot. Likely be 3-4 at the NBA level.
                        Just got done watching a few games of his. I watched his game tonight as well as a few from earlier in the season.

                        My initial thoughts very good passer and a willing passer. His post game is pretty complete has more than enough moves and very patient.

                        defense I have no idea if he is good or not they mostly play a zone where he is in the middle and helping. Still need to watch more but I don't think he will be very good at least 1v1 at the NBA level.

                        not a good athlete for the NBA. He is gonna have to work on his ball handling he will need to be able to play the 3 at the NBA level.

                        His frame concerns me he is already filled out pretty well but he looks small especially to play PF at the NBA level.

                        He reminds me a lot of Tobias Harris last year just a little worse athlete and smaller but a better post player.

                        No doubt he is a basketball player though I am not sure what all will translates the shooting will but in his frame I cant see him being able to post up people like Chris Bosh and what not. But with how craft he is he should have some success in the post. If I was advising him I would tell him to work on his dribbling. At the NBA I cant see him creating his own shot but he should be a knock down shooter. Just my initial thoughs on the guy will post more when I watch some more tape.

                        Jarrod Jones was on ESPN3 tonight dont like him for the NBA he is soft on the boards.

                        add John Jenkins 2 my 2nd rd wish list since when need a SG who can shoot. If we want to go defensive role player instead Jeff Taylor wouldn't be bad not my first choice though.
                        Last edited by pacer4ever; 01-11-2012, 01:05 AM.

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                        • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                          Originally posted by cdash View Post
                          All he can do is pass. He doesn't seem to be too interested in playing defense, he's not particularly quick, so he isn't beating people off the dribble, he doesn't shoot it very well...he's a passing savant. That's about it. I wouldn't take him in the top 25 picks.
                          Thanks, at one point in time someone was trying to compare some of his similarities to Rondo, passing that is about it. He can make it in the league, but he will be only one dimensional from what all I have seen
                          Why so SERIOUS

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                          • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                            two other guys I like and would love to have are bit of sleepers. Will Barton for some reason is flying under the radar the kid has been fantastic this year and been playing great all season for Memphis. His only downfall is a really frail frame he is 6'6 165. He needs to add weight but the kid can ball. He is a projected 2nd rounder I would love it if we got him there. Barton, Quincy Acy, and Kevin Jones are the 3 guys I would love as 2 rd guys.

                            I have been watching lots of film lately and the kid I like a lot is Tony Wroten for Washington. He IMO is what everyone on this board hopes Lance Stephenson can be. He has a really high ceiling IMO. He is playing with another pg in Gaddy so he is playing the SG this year and that is probably his best spot. He is a much better athlete than Lance and has much better pg ability and makes the simple plays as well as having some of the best court vision for his size. He plays just like Lance he is always attacking the rim and lives at the FT line his jumper needs work though. I doubt he will ever be a great floor general and that may be his downfall like Lances at pg. But his talent is undeniable. I dont like him for us unless we cut or get rid of Lance because their games are almost identical. But the kid will likely be a good pg/sg at the next level and he is gonna be good value in the late 1st rd. His decision making needs work but I think in the right situation he will blossom reminds me of that Iman Shumpert kid a bit. My biggest concern is focus anyone wwho shoots under 60% at the FT has focus issues especially a pg so he is a risky player for sure.

                            Only other big pg in this draft that I have watched is Tomas Satoransky. I have only seen him play a few times and I wasn't very impressed.
                            I think Barton, Wroten and Ross will all go in the 1st, a bunch of talent. Thing about Wroten is that he is also much faster than Lance and knows how to used his speed well.

                            I have a feeling that teams will sleep on Kevin Jones, I don't see how though, the guy does it all, he will be the surprise coming out of this draft.
                            Why so SERIOUS

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                            • Re: 2012 NBA draft prospects thread

                              Originally posted by Really? View Post
                              I think Barton, Wroten and Ross will all go in the 1st, a bunch of talent. Thing about Wroten is that he is also much faster than Lance and knows how to used his speed well.

                              I have a feeling that teams will sleep on Kevin Jones, I don't see how though, the guy does it all, he will be the surprise coming out of this draft.
                              Ya I really like Kevin Jones very underrated if he is on the board in the 2nd I would take him without hesitation unless someone slips in a major way.

                              They ask him to guard Drummond and he didn't do great defensively but he held his own I thought.

                              The refs kind of blew a call that changed that game one of the few times I was highly upset at an official it was a easy call the ball clearly went off Alex Oriakhi and the ref blew it.

                              I compare him to Big Baby with better rebounding ability.

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                              • Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                                Just got done watching a few games of his. I watched his game tonight as well as a few from earlier in the season.

                                My initial thoughts very good passer and a willing passer. His post game is pretty complete has more than enough moves and very patient.

                                defense I have no idea if he is good or not they mostly play a zone where he is in the middle and helping. Still need to watch more but I don't think he will be very good at least 1v1 at the NBA level.

                                not a good athlete for the NBA. He is gonna have to work on his ball handling he will need to be able to play the 3 at the NBA level.

                                His frame concerns me he is already filled out pretty well but he looks small especially to play PF at the NBA level.

                                He reminds me a lot of Tobias Harris last year just a little worse athlete and smaller but a better post player.

                                No doubt he is a basketball player though I am not sure what all will translates the shooting will but in his frame I cant see him being able to post up people like Chris Bosh and what not. But with how craft he is he should have some success in the post. If I was advising him I would tell him to work on his dribbling. At the NBA I cant see him creating his own shot but he should be a knock down shooter. Just my initial thoughs on the guy will post more when I watch some more tape.

                                Jarrod Jones was on ESPN3 tonight dont like him for the NBA he is soft on the boards.

                                add John Jenkins 2 my 2nd rd wish list since when need a SG who can shoot. If we want to go defensive role player instead Jeff Taylor wouldn't be bad not my first choice though.
                                Defensively: he is adequate at the NBA level...
                                Offensively: he is a solid stretch 4 that has post moves. Not amazing but I can see him being good.
                                He isn't a good ball handler, but he is still developing.
                                Echenique on the other hand reminds me of Keith benson but better on the defensive end. If the pacers drafted him in the second I would be excited.

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