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The Rules of Pacers Digest
Hello everyone,
Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.
A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.
Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.
Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.
Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"
"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "
In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.
Rule #2
If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.
The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.
The right places to do so are:
A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.
B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.
If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.
Rule #3
If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.
When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:
A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.
B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.
To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!
Rule #4
Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.
Rule #5
When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.
An example:
If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star
Rule #6
We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.
The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.
Rule #7
Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.
It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.
Rule #8
We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.
Rule #9
Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.
Rule #10
We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.
Rule #11
Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.
A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.
Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.
Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.
Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"
"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "
In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.
Rule #2
If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.
The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.
The right places to do so are:
A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.
B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.
If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.
Rule #3
If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.
When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:
A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.
B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.
To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!
Rule #4
Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.
Rule #5
When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.
An example:
If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star
Rule #6
We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.
The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.
Rule #7
Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.
It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.
Rule #8
We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.
Rule #9
Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.
Rule #10
We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.
Rule #11
Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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Re: OFFICIAL PD NBA 2K12 TEAM UP THREAD
[QUOTE=J7F;1438500]I'll post the final roster results in a minute... QUOTE]
Bare in mind my rating system is not without it's flaws... but I think it turned out pretty good overall...
ATL
C1 Al Horford 85
PF1 Kevin Willis 95
SF1 Dominique Wilkens 95
SG1 Joe Johnson 84
PG1 Mookie Blaylock 90
C2 Theo Ratliff 77
PF2 Josh Smith 91
SF2 Marvin Williams 74
SG2 Steve Smith 77
PG2 Doc Rivers 83
C3 Zaza Pachulia 71
PF3 Danny Manning 81
SF3 Stacey Augmon 74
SG3 Jordan Crawford 72
PG3 Jeff Teague 79
BOS
C1 Al Jefferson 93
PF1 Kevin Garnett 97
SF1 Larry Bird 98
SG1 Ray Allen 90
PG1 Nate Archibald 97
C2 Robert Parish 88
PF2 Kevin McHale 94
SF2 Paul Pierce 90
SG2 Reggie Lewis 79
PG2 Rajon Rondo 85
C3 Kendrick Perkins 70
PF3 Dino Radja 79
SF3 Calbert Cheaney 71
SG3 Danny Ainge 78
PG3 Dennis Johnson 79
CHA
C1 Emeka Okafor 85
PF1 Tyrus Thomas 71
SF1 Jared Dudley 74
SG1 Stephen Jackson 79
PG1 Raymond Felton 82
C2 Nazr Mohammed 69
PF2 Vladimir Radmanovic 70
SF2 Reggie Williams 72
SG2 Gerald Henderson 73
PG2 DJ Augustin 80
C3 Joel Przybilla 68
PF3 Malik Allen 63
SF3 Shannon Brown 65
SG3 Matt Carroll 64
PG3 Eddie House 62
CHI
C1 Artis Gilmore 94
PF1 Elton Brand 95
SF1 Scottie Pippen 94
SG1 Michael Jordan 99
PG1 Derrick Rose 90
C2 Joakim Noah 80
PF2 Horace Grant 89
SF2 Luol Deng 82
SG2 Ben Gordon 76
PG2 Ron Harper 84
C3 Will Perdue 74
PF3 Taj Gibson 80
SF3 Toni Kukoc 79
SG3 John Salmons 76
PG3 Kirk Hinrich 76
CLE
C1 Brad Daugherty 92
PF1 Carlos Boozer 90
SF1 Larry Nance 91
SG1 Ricky Davis 82
PG1 Andre Miller 89
C2 Anderson Varejao 81
PF2 Drew Gooden 79
SF2 Reggie Williams 77
SG2 Craig Ehlo 76
PG2 Mark Price 88
C3 Tony Battie 66
PF3 Tristan Thompson 76
SF3 Luke Walton 73
SG3 Anthony Parker 71
PG3 Kyrie Irving 86
DAL
C1 Herb Williams 85
PF1 Dirk Nowitzki 95
SF1 Antoine Walker 92
SG1 Michael Finley 89
PG1 Jason Kidd 91
C2 Tyson Chandler 79
PF2 Juwon Howard 84
SF2 Josh Howard 81
SG2 Jason Terry 82
PG2 Nick Van Exel 83
C3 Shawn Bradley 78
PF3 Mark West 73
SF3 Corey Brewer 67
SG3 Rolando Blackman 77
PG3 Delonte West 70
DEN
C1 Marcus Camby 91
PF1 Antonio McDyess 91
SF1 Bobby Jones 84
SG1 Alex English 95
PG1 Michael Adams 95
C2 Dikembe Mutombo 85
PF2 Kenneth Faried 85
SF2 Danilo Gallinari 77
SG2 Dale Ellis 80
PG2 Ty Lawson 85
C3 Chris Andersen 67
PF3 LaPhonso Ellis 79
SF3 Bryon Russell 72
SG3 Bryant Stith 72
PG3 Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf 75
DET
C1 Ben Wallace 91
PF1 Dennis Rodman 94
SF1 Grant Hill 95
SG1 Jerry Stackhouse 88
PG1 Isiah Thomas 95
C2 Bill Laimbeer 88
PF2 Rasheed Wallace 84
SF2 Kelly Tripucka 77
SG2 Richard Hamilton 83
PG2 Chauncey Billups 90
C3 Greg Monroe 86
PF3 Charlie Villanueva 74
SF3 Tayshaun Prince 76
SG3 Joe Dumars 79
PG3 Rodney Stuckey 75
GSW
C1 Ralph Sampson 87
PF1 Troy Murphy 84
SF1 Chris Mullin 91
SG1 Jason Richardson 85
PG1 Baron Davis 87
C2 Erick Dampier 81
PF2 Joe Smith 80
SF2 Billy Owens 79
SG2 Monta Ellis 84
PG2 Stephon Curry 85
C3 Andris Biedrins 81
PF3 Ekpe Udoh 70
SF3 Rod Higgins 72
SG3 Mike Dunleavy Jr. 78
PG3 BJ Armstrong 71
HOU
C1 Hakeem Olajuwon 97
PF1 Otis Thorpe 87
SF1 Rodney McCray 85
SG1 Kevin Martin 78
PG1 Steve Francis 84
C2 Yao Ming 89
PF2 Louis Scola 80
SF2 Trevor Ariza 78
SG2 Vernon Maxwell 74
PG2 Sam Cassell 82
C3 Chuck Hayes 74
PF3 Robert Horry 76
SF3 Chase Budinger 76
SG3 Keith Bogans 62
PG3 Jonny Flynn 69
IND
C1 Brad Miller 85
PF1 Jermaine O'Neal 89
SF1 Paul George 94
SG1 Reggie Miller 86
PG1 Mark Jackson 86
C2 Roy Hibbert 82
PF2 David West 86
SF2 Detlef Schrempf 88
SG2 Jalen Rose 82
PG2 Darren Collison 79
C3 Rik Smits 76
PF3 Dale Davis 80
SF3 Danny Granger 83
SG3 Brandon Rush 68
PG3 George Hill 72
LAC
C1 Chris Kaman 81
PF1 Bob McAdoo 97
SF1 Mark Aguirre 88
SG1 Eric Gordon 82
PG1 Kenny Anderson 87
C2 Deandre Jordan 77
PF2 Blake Griffin 89
SF2 Corey Maggette 80
SG2 Jaren Jackson 60
PG2 Mo Williams 78
C3 Reggie Evans 67
PF3 Chris Wilcox 73
SF3 Al Thornton 72
SG3 Quentin Richardson 77
PG3 Steve Blake 70
LAL
C1 Kareem Abul-Jabbar 98
PF1 Pau Gasol 92
SF1 James Worthy 84
SG1 Kobe Bryant 98
PG1 Magic Johnson 98
C2 Andrew Bynum 90
PF2 Lamar Odom 84
SF2 Ron Artest 82
SG2 Byron Scott 82
PG2 Norm Nixon 84
C3 PJ Brown 75
PF3 Sam Perkins 82
SF3 Rick Fox 74
SG3 Michael Cooper 70
PG3 Brian Shaw 79
MEM
C1 Marc Gasol 84
PF1 Zach Randolph 91
SF1 Rudy Gay 80
SG1 OJ Mayo 77
PG1 Kyle Lowry 81
C2 Kwame Brown 73
PF2 Shareef Abdur-Rahim 88
SF2 Shane Battier 75
SG2 Ronnie Brewer 72
PG2 Mike Conley 77
C3 Marreese Speights 66
PF3 Brian Cardinal 63
SF3 James Posey 71
SG3 Tony Allen 66
PG3 Greg Anthony 76
MIA
C1 Alonzo Mourning 86
PF1 Chris Bosh 92
SF1 LeBron James 98
SG1 Dwyane Wade 95
PG1 Tim Hardaway 92
C2 Rony Seikaly 83
PF2 Christian Laettner 81
SF2 Jamal Mashburn 80
SG2 Jim Jackson 77
PG2 Jason Williams 78
C3 Manute Bol 68
PF3 Brian Grant 75
SF3 Dorell Wright 79
SG3 Mario Chalmers 68
PG3 Rafer Alston 76
MIL
C1 Andrew Bogut 84
PF1 Terry Cummings 90
SF1 Richard Jefferson 82
SG1 Sidney Moncrief 85
PG1 Brandon Jennings 85
C2 Ervin Johnson 77
PF2 Vin Baker 87
SF2 Glenn Robinson 80
SG2 Michael Redd 83
PG2 Scott Skiles 79
C3 Kevin Duckworth 74
PF3 Ersan Ilyasova 84
SF3 Luc Mbah A Moute 74
SG3 Paul Pressey 82
PG3 Ramon Sessions 73
MIN
C1 Nikola Pekovic 79
PF1 Kevin Love 95
SF1 Michael Beasley 75
SG1 Mike Miller 77
PG1 Ricky Rubio 89
C2 Darko Milicic 65
PF2 Tom Gugliotta 87
SF2 Ryan Gomes 72
SG2 Isaiah Rider 76
PG2 Luke Ridnour 75
C3 Stacey King 62
PF3 Anthony Randolph 75
SF3 Martell Webster 65
SG3 Randy Foye 72
PG3 Bobby Jackson 72
NJN
C1 Brook Lopez 83
PF1 Derrick Coleman 93
SF1 Michael Cage 86
SG1 Kendall Gill 85
PG1 Deron Williams 87
C2 Sam Bowie 81
PF2 Buck Williams 86
SF2 Orlando Woolridge 79
SG2 Kerry Kittles 77
PG2 Devin Harris 83
C3 Dan Gadzuric 69
PF3 Keith Van Horn 79
SF3 Chris Douglas-Roberts 67
SG3 Drazen Petrovic 74
PG3 Jordan Farmar 67
NOH
C1 Vlade Divac 88
PF1 Larry Johnson 92
SF1 Anthony Mason 92
SG1 Eddie Jones 84
PG1 Chris Paul 95
C2 Jamaal Magloire 76
PF2 Kurt Rambis 77
SF2 Glen Rice 80
SG2 Marcus Thornton 81
PG2 Muggsy Bogues 83
C3 Elden Cambell 76
PF3 Carl Landry 72
SF3 JR Reid 71
SG3 Dell Curry 73
PG3 Jarrett Jack 77
NYK
C1 Patrick Ewing 95
PF1 David Lee 91
SF1 Carmelo Anthony 87
SG1 Latrell Sprewell 87
PG1 Stephon Marbury 85
C2 Bill Cartwright 83
PF2 Charles Oakley 84
SF2 Bernard king 85
SG2 Jamal Crawford 78
PG2 Jeremy Lin 84
C3 Eddy Curry 72
PF3 Al Harrington 76
SF3 Shandon Anderson 70
SG3 Allan Houston 75
PG3 Nate Robinson 75
OKC
C1 Jack Sikma 93
PF1 Shawn Kemp 87
SF1 Kevin Durant 93
SG1 Hersey Hawkins 81
PG1 Gary Payton 95
C2 Alton Lister 75
PF2 Xavier McDaniel 84
SF2 Jeff Green 76
SG2 James Harden 81
PG2 Russell Westbrook 89
C3 Byron Mullens 72
PF3 Serge Ibaka 82
SF3 Ricky Pierce 72
SG3 Vinnie Johnson 73
PG3 Nate MicMillan 78
ORL
C1 Shaquille O'Neal 98
PF1 Dwight Howard 95
SF1 Rashard Lewis 84
SG1 Tracy McGrady 95
PG1 Penny Hardaway 88
C2 Tree Rollins 75
PF2 Ryan Anderson 82
SF2 Hedo Turkoglu 80
SG2 Nick Anderson 83
PG2 Derek Harper 82
C3 Jon Koncak 62
PF3 Bo Outlaw 75
SF3 Dennis Scott 75
SG3 J.J. Redick 66
PG3 Chris Duhon 73
PHI
C1 Moses Malone 97
PF1 Tom Chambers 88
SF1 Julius Erving 95
SG1 Allen Iverson 95
PG1 Maurice Cheeks 84
C2 Spencer Hawes 84
PF2 Jayson Williams 83
SF2 Derrick McKey 75
SG2 Andre Iguodala 84
PG2 Jrue Holiday 83
C3 Darryl Dawkins 75
PF3 Rodney Rogers 72
SF3 Thaddeus Young 75
SG3 Evan Turner 79
PG3 Antonio Daniels 70
PHX
C1 Marcin Gortat 84
PF1 Charles Barkley 96
SF1 Shawn Marion 95
SG1 Vince Carter 90
PG1 Steve Nash 94
C2 James Edwards 76
PF2 Amare Stoudamire 89
SF2 Cedric Ceballos 82
SG2 Dan Majerle 82
PG2 Kevin Johnson 92
C3 Robin Lopez 73
PF3 AC Green 82
SF3 Josh Childress 70
SG3 Leandro Barbosa 74
PG3 Goran Dragic 76
POR
C1 Bill Walton 96
PF1 Kiki Vandeweghe 87
SF1 Jerome Kersey 84
SG1 Clyde Drexler 95
PG1 Rod Strickland 89
C2 Mychal Thompson 93
PF2 LaMarcus Aldridge 87
SF2 Nicolas Batum 73
SG2 Bonzi Wells 76
PG2 Terry Porter 79
C3 Arvydas Sabonis 82
PF3 Cliff Robinson 80
SF3 Travis Outlaw 70
SG3 Mario Elie 68
PG3 Jerryd Bayless 75
SAC
C1 DeMarcus Cousins 91
PF1 Chris Webber 95
SF1 Gerald Wallace 86
SG1 Mitch Richmond 83
PG1 Mike Bibby 84
C2 Samuel Dalembert 76
PF2 Wayman Tisdale 81
SF2 Peja Stojakovic 85
SG2 Reggie Theus 83
PG2 Kenny Smith 79
C3 Scot Pollard 67
PF3 Antoine Carr 76
SF3 Terrence Williams 74
SG3 Tyreke Evans 83
PG3 Spud Webb 77
SAS
C1 David Robinson 96
PF1 Tim Duncan 98
SF1 George Gervin 90
SG1 Alvin Robertson 88
PG1 Tony Parker 84
C2 Kurt Thomas 74
PF2 Charles Smith 83
SF2 Chuck Person 81
SG2 Manu Ginobili 80
PG2 Avery Johnson 80
C3 DeJuan Blair 68
PF3 Boris Diaw 80
SF3 Sean Elliott 77
SG3 Vinny Del Negro 73
PG3 Beno Udrih 73
TOR
C1 Andrea Bargnani 77
PF1 Kris Humphries 81
SF1 Walt Williams 74
SG1 DeMar Derozan 79
PG1 Damon Stoudamire 87
C2 Matt Bonner 64
PF2 Antonio Davis 80
SF2 Carlos Delfino 71
SG2 Doug Christie 78
PG2 Jose Calderon 80
C3 John Salley 65
PF3 Ed Davis 75
SF3 Rasual Butler 65
SG3 Morris Peterson 74
PG3 TJ Ford 76
UTH
C1 Mehmet Okur 81
PF1 Karl Malone 96
SF1 Adrian Dantley 90
SG1 Jeff Hornacek 84
PG1 John Stockton 93
C2 Kosta Koufos 73
PF2 Paul Millsap 82
SF2 Andrei Kirilenko 87
SG2 John Starks 74
PG2 Derek Fisher 75
C3 Greg Ostertag 68
PF3 Derrick Favors 79
SF3 Gordon Hayward 73
SG3 Raja Bell 69
PG3 Earl Watson 72
WAS
C1 JaVale McGee 78
PF1 Antawn Jamison 89
SF1 Caron Butler 86
SG1 Jeff Malone 80
PG1 Gilbert Arenas 87
C2 Nene 76
PF2 John Williams 86
SF2 Bobby Simmons 76
SG2 Rex Chapman 73
PG2 John Wall 87
C3 Rick Mahorn 74
PF3 Andre Blatche 80
SF3 Alonzo Gee 72
SG3 Deshawn Stevenson 69
PG3 Earl Boykins 71Nothing in life worth having comes easy.
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Next day I can go is Saturday.
It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.
Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004
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I'm not going to just give captaincy away. Someone is going to be responsible for running them team when I'm not around. I'm more than happy to let someone do it, but someone has to step up first.
It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.
Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004
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IMO if three people get on and wanna play some hoops we should let them. It's the pacers digest team. Not kstats not mine not anyones.
This is a game we play for fun. I think that gets lost in translation a lot of the time. Im confident that whoever is on, will try their best to win. We're all adults here.
And tbh, it's not like we're the 90's bulls when you play with us.
Way too much over thinking over a video game.
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Waiting for the "you don't take this seriously" or "your attitude sucks" comment that's bound to come.
I wanna win just as much as anyone else but Having fun with you guys = more important that following strict, rigid guidelines on a friggin video gameLast edited by Ryan; 05-11-2012, 08:48 PM.
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I'm not doing this again, with you or anyone else. I have no interest in fighting over this.
That said, you're right. This is the digests team. Not mine. So, in that respect, im done. The next person to ask for it can have full control over team digest, no questions asked. I'm sorry I was not able to do the job to everyone's satisfaction. I really did try my hardest to keep everyone happy, but I guess I failed.
Whoever wants to assume control over team digest, just let me know.Last edited by Kstat; 05-11-2012, 11:31 PM.
It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.
Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004
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No. I am done.Last edited by Kstat; 05-12-2012, 12:29 AM.
It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.
Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004
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It's fine. I'm not going to let it get to a point where there is in fighting. Im not even responding to ryan picking a fight with me. Im removing myself from the equation. I'm leaving so everyone else can create a happier environment. I'd feel bad if you guys quit playing because of me.
It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.
Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004
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