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  • #46
    Re: Denver Post: Nene to Opt Out

    Originally posted by ensergio View Post
    This. I don't want the Pacers as the new Pistons (Villanueva and Gordon). Lrt's sign Hayes, Brown or Kirilenko. Let's practice toughness and defense and let it go.
    Yeah, Kirilenko's worth a look IF he's HEALTHY and price is right.
    I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

    -Emiliano Zapata

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    • #47
      Re: Denver Post: Nene to Opt Out

      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
      Collison/Stephenson (or Price)
      George/Hill
      Granger/George
      Nene/Hansbrough
      Hibbert/Nene

      Add another veteran big like Foster or Hayes, and maybe another wing (Kirilenko?), and you have an interesting team, I think.
      You really think they are just going to hand the SG spot to George?

      Im calling it right now fam, I thnk Hill starts
      Sittin on top of the world!

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      • #48
        Re: Denver Post: Nene to Opt Out

        Humphries as well, not as worried about his 1 productive year as much as others are... His per36 stats over the years have been fairly consistent... the big thing last year was the increase in his FG%
        Why so SERIOUS

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        • #49
          Re: Denver Post: Nene to Opt Out

          Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
          You really think they are just going to hand the SG spot to George?

          Im calling it right now fam, I thnk Hill starts
          I thought that at first also... but now I think Hill has a better chance to start at the 1 than 2...
          Why so SERIOUS

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          • #50
            Re: Denver Post: Nene to Opt Out

            Points made/ Need made Re: Nene Signing

            -Nene vs West (age, injury history, production, fit need, $, "recruiting chip?") who is the best "fit" with our Future plans?
            -Can Nene be affective as a PF? If he cannot, is he worth it? (I say No!).
            -Could we still afford another "Star" (EJ, other?) & still resign our own core (Roy/DC/Tyler) who is up in the next 2 yrs? (if not, I sat No)
            -I agree 110% with not wanting us to do a DET & sign guys because we have noney & are not the right players or the right fit!
            -If not West or Nene, who would be option 3? Prive vs. fit, are they better?
            -W/ D.Howard the only East dominate big, & CHI & MIA as the team to beat & w/o dominate "bigs", is Nene the right player (fit) to help us win?

            Just say'n/ ask'n...
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            • #51
              Re: Denver Post: Nene to Opt Out

              Originally posted by Really? View Post
              I thought that at first also... but now I think Hill has a better chance to start at the 1 than 2...
              IMO Hill is use to coming off the bench & we should start off keeping him that way. We can always adjust as the season goes on, but no need to rock the boat to start with. In the end, no matter what unit he plays with, he will likely play "starter min's" so I don't see it as an issue.
              "Larry Bird: You are Officially On the Clock! (3/24/08)"
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              • #52
                Re: Denver Post: Nene to Opt Out

                Nene will get beat out by Tyler Hansbrough.

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                • #53
                  Re: Denver Post: Nene to Opt Out

                  Originally posted by Lou Bega View Post
                  Nene will get beat out by Tyler Hansbrough.
                  I think Tyler is going to have a great offseason and will be close enough to West and Nene that I don't think it is worth the money. He's working on his left hand and he had a great playoff series against boozer. He will come in next year much improved and ready to prove himself.

                  Nene is not a game changer and isn't someone to go to at the end of games. Hansbrough is more aggressive and can get in other players heads. Nene is not worth the money (12+). I am wandering if we should keep the money with all of our rookie deals expiring and the big 2012 free agency class. Instead of barely improving a position if we wait until 2012 we'd have a chance to significantly improve a position.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Denver Post: Nene to Opt Out

                    Nene is by far my first choice of available big men. His recent health history has been solid. The odds of Nene playing 75 + games next season at a high level next season are far greater then West. I think Nene would be more effective at PF then he is at center and he's still a good option at center. I say overpay if we have to but get an offer to him as soon as the new cba is in effect.
                    Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Denver Post: Nene to Opt Out

                      Nene's lack of high volume rebounding concerns me, is this dude lazy or something? 7 rebounds a game? And he wants 14 million a year average? Good player, but he's not Tyson Chandler.
                      You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Denver Post: Nene to Opt Out

                        Originally posted by trailrunner View Post


                        Is he worth that money?

                        ABSOLUTELY NOT!

                        I still believe 5 year contracts and Bird rights will be a thing of the past with a new CBA.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Denver Post: Nene to Opt Out

                          I would like to know if Nene's numbers PPG and RPG were affected in big part because he was playing with a ball hog in Melo and the system doesn't put much enphasis on the bigs, I would bet that a guy like Nene in another system could average like 20/10.
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                          • #58
                            Re: Denver Post: Nene to Opt Out

                            Originally posted by Jimmy View Post
                            I think Tyler is going to have a great offseason and will be close enough to West and Nene that I don't think it is worth the money. He's working on his left hand and he had a great playoff series against boozer. He will come in next year much improved and ready to prove himself.

                            Nene is not a game changer and isn't someone to go to at the end of games. Hansbrough is more aggressive and can get in other players heads. Nene is not worth the money (12+). I am wandering if we should keep the money with all of our rookie deals expiring and the big 2012 free agency class. Instead of barely improving a position if we wait until 2012 we'd have a chance to significantly improve a position.
                            Are you being sarcastic? Outside of one game Tyler had an awful series. He averaged 11 and 5 in over 30 minutes per game and shot 33 percent from the field, along with almost twice as many turnovers as assists and no blocks period. As for more aggressive... that leads to as many 2-13 nights as it does 30 point nights, it's a double edged sword and hans isn't the type to go to late in games anyway as he can't really create a shot on his own.
                            Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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                            • #59
                              Re: Denver Post: Nene to Opt Out

                              http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011...ket/#more-8316

                              There are conflicting reports in the Denver Post about the future of Nene, who has an early-termination option that would allow him to forgo the $11.6 million he could make in Denver next season and become a free agent this summer. The paper reported over the weekend that the team and its center could work out a three-year extension, but in Tuesday’s edition, Nene sounds like he is leaning toward opting out and testing the market.

                              You can’t blame anyone for the indecision, especially considering the uncertain nature of the next collective bargaining agreement. A call to Nene’s agent, Dan Fegan, was not immediately returned.

                              As I watch the playoffs — and especially the Grizzlies — I find myself wondering if Nene’s value would be rising in a theoretical (and nonexistent) world in which the collective bargaining agreement stays the same. There are so few big men who can bully you at the rim on offense and be at least a neutral presence on defense. There are a lot of great two-way power forwards left in the playoffs — Zach Randolph, Chris Bosh, Al Horford (who starts at center for Atlanta), Kevin Garnett, Josh Smith, Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol, Serge Ibaka — but few have the beef of a center, and Ibaka is still unpolished offensively. There are also a few center types who can shove people around the post on defense but don’t do much offensively — Kendrick Perkins, for instance.

                              This is why Memphis is causing such problems. The Grizzlies have two guys with the bulk of a true center and the ability to contribute on both ends. Marc Gasol isn’t an offensive stud on Randolph’s level, but he’s big, he has touch and he can score in a variety of ways. Randolph isn’t a top-flight defender, but the numbers show he is better than his reputation, and the Grizzlies continue to be a stingy defensive club even as teams try to attack Randolph on pick-and-pops and other plays designed to get him moving. At worst, he’s a neutral presence, not a liability.

                              Nene is his own entity, but he’s another true big man — a center — who can help on both ends. If there’s a knock on his offensive game, it’s that he has never shown he can carry an attack, and he’s not a back-to-the-basket beast who can score easily in isolation. Not much changed after Denver dealt Carmelo Anthony, either. Nene attempted 8.7 shots per game before the trade and 8.8 after the trade. His field-goal percentage fell from about 62 percent before the trade to 57 percent afterward, but you’d take that latter mark in a second. His free throws went up, and he used about 22 percent of Denver’s possessions, compared to about 19 percent for the full season.

                              In other words: Nene took on more of a burden after Anthony’s departure, but not enough of one to suggest he could ever do what Randolph has done for Memphis’ offense in the last two weeks. He scores more off cuts, and even his post-up chances usually come after some quick-hitting motion has allowed him to get deep position.

                              Still, if Nene does opt out, he will probably end up the best player on the market. Unfortunately for him, the most attractive potential suitors — i.e. contenders, or teams with nice foundations — either lack the cap space to sign Nene or a hole in the middle for him to fill.

                              One intriguing exception might be Houston. The Rockets could get their 2011-12 salary commitments down to about $46 million if they renounce all their free agents, including Yao Ming and Chuck Hayes. Of course, the Rockets love Hayes, and they will also have to set aside money for two first-round picks in the June draft unless they deal one. And we have no idea if the next salary cap will fall close to this season’s $58 million figure.

                              Here’s a quick list of a few other teams that might have the resources and desire to pursue Nene as a free agent. Keep in mind that Denver can also sign-and-trade Nene, which would open up a pile of other options.

                              • Golden State: The Warriors are openly lusting after centers (and openly criticizing poor Andris Biedrins, who is certainly not poor in the financial sense), but they are handicapped here by the fact that Charlie Bell and Lou Amundson have options to return next season for nearly $7 million combined. If they exercise those options, the Warriors’ cap number will be around $48 million. That may not leave enough space to make a true run at Nene, depending on how the CBA shakes out. (The $48 million number also doesn’t include money for draft picks and charges for empty roster spots.)

                              • Detroit: Another possible fool’s gold case, as the Pistons could really only work their way down to about $48 million — and that’s if they decide to part with Rodney Stuckey, perhaps the most divisive restricted free agent set to hit the market. Things could change a bit if they could somehow unload Richard Hamilton and take back less salary in return. There could be fit and spacing issues with the Nene/Greg Monroe pairing, but the Pistons need size badly.

                              • Toronto: The Raptors have hopefully given up on the notion that Andrea Bargnani can be a real NBA center on the glass. Nene, though not an elite rebounder, could work as an intriguing banger next to Bargnani. The Raptors could cut down to about $47 million for next season if they renounce their free agents (Julian Wright, Sonny Weems and Joey Dorsey), and they could slash further if they find a taker for Leandro Barbosa’s expiring contract. Who knows if they could ever persuade Nene to sign there, especially given the current front-office uncertainty, but it’s an interesting thought.

                              • Minnesota: The Wolves should have a ton of cap room. I’ll stop there.

                              • Sacramento: The Kings should have enough cap room to sign two Nenes, but they barely spent last season, and they have to take care of Marcus Thornton and perhaps decide how much Samuel Dalembert might be worth. Of course, if you can get Nene, you wave goodbye to Dalembert in a second. The presence of DeMarcus Cousins might bring some positional overlap issues, too.

                              At this point, the what-if game becomes a little ridiculous. What if Tim Duncan retires, freeing up cap space in San Antonio? What if David West decides, for some crazy reason, to opt out in New Orleans even though he’s going to miss a huge chunk of next season with a serious knee injury? What if Boris Diaw drinks too much wine one summer night and decides to opt out of his $9 million option in Charlotte? What if the Hawks, all of a sudden on fire, decide to work a sign-and-trade involving Smith? (Note: Before Atlanta’s playoff run, I really liked this possibility — which is just speculation on my part.)

                              The general point is that the free-agent market is not overrun with easy fits, particularly because some teams with potential cap space either have young centers they like or are gunning for the 2012 class that could include Dwight Howard and Chris Paul. The Clippers and Nets fit both those criteria, though signing Nene doesn’t take you out of the 2012 bidding if you think a sign-and-trade for one of those superstars is possible.

                              What an interesting spot for Nene — a player good enough, and unusual enough, to affect the balance of power in the league at least a bit.
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                              • #60
                                Re: Denver Post: Nene to Opt Out

                                Tyler can bounce back it was his first ever NBA playoff series. Tyler is a winner. Remember he came back as a SR @ NC just to win a national title and accomplished that.

                                I am in the camp that Tyler is going to outwork anybody in the gym. I love his & PG mentality. They are hard workers and will grow into starters on the eastern conference all star team & bring a championship trophy to INDY!!!!

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