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Who do you want in the 2nd round?

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  • #16
    Re: Who do you want in the 2nd round?

    Figuring 1st round will be SG/SF and will look for a big in the 2nd rnd.
    Obviously some of these picks won't reach us.

    1. Alex Burks sg
    2. Chris Singleton sf
    3. Jordan Hamilton sf
    4. Jimmer Fredette pg
    5. Tobias Harris sf
    6. Klay Thompson sg
    7. Marshon Brooks sg

    2nd round picks
    1. Jon Leuer - great shooter for a big.
    2. Jordan Williams
    3. Jeremy Tyler
    4. Trey Thompkins
    Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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    • #17
      Re: Who do you want in the 2nd round?

      Originally posted by xBulletproof View Post
      I will never get more excited about a 2nd round pick on draft night.

      I don't think people realize historically how useless 2nd round picks are. The vast majority of 2nd round picks amount to nothing.
      What if they do though?

      No one cares if you get excited over a 2nd round pick. The OP was just asking who you wanted, not whether or not you cared.

      If you find a good player, that's just an added bonus.

      While you're right that most don't amount to much, it's very possible that they could turn to a very good player.

      Manu Ginobili, Dennis Rodman, Gilbert Arenas, Jeff Hornacek, Carlos Boozer, Rashard Lewis, Michael Redd, and Antonio Davis were all 2nd round picks.
      Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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      • #18
        Re: Who do you want in the 2nd round?

        What about E'Twaun Moore. I am really curious what he will do in the NBA. Obviously he won't be great in all likelihood, but I think he could contribute to a team. I suppose our pick is little early for him possibly.

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        • #19
          Re: Who do you want in the 2nd round?

          Norris cole and mack no questions asked. Cole COULD have been a first round pick if this "weak" draft wasn't so PG heavy. cole can go lights out.
          what more can you say about Mack.

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          • #20
            Re: Who do you want in the 2nd round?

            I would love to get Mack in the second round. I don't watch Butler all the much but the few times I did I was always more impressed with him than I was with Hayward.

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            • #21
              Re: Who do you want in the 2nd round?

              Chandler Parsons - Probably won't be there, looks like Dunleavy to me.

              Greg Smith - Role playing physical guy with potential to be second unit banger. Project.

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              • #22
                Re: Who do you want in the 2nd round?

                I would package this pick with an expiring contract & move up in the late first or early second round and nab one of several already mentioned players.

                Travis Leslie, Tyler Honeycutt, Trey Thompkins, Jajuan Johnson, Parsons, Singler, or Mack


                I really believe you can get a decent big man non drafted this year and see what he can do in camp.

                Matt Howard (But), Josh Harrelson (UK), Jamie Skeem (VCU) or even Wanamaker from Pitt .

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                • #23
                  Re: Who do you want in the 2nd round?

                  Originally posted by xBulletproof View Post
                  I will never get more excited about a 2nd round pick on draft night.

                  I don't think people realize historically how useless 2nd round picks are. The vast majority of 2nd round picks amount to nothing.

                  Yeah, but I'm looking for that 1 out of 3 that does.

                  I'd still rather have spent last years 2nd on a big like Jerome Jordan. He went to Europe to work on his game like AD did.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Who do you want in the 2nd round?

                    Rick Jackson.

                    Big East Defensive Player of the year. Big body at 6'9" has some bulk at 240-250 and can rebound and block shots. He played in a zone at Syracuse, but he was their main big all year. Jackson took off a lot of weight after his junior year and had played progressive minutes over his four-year Syracuse career. He improved in each of the main stat categories every year and had solid totals for steals and assists even. He makes great weakside reads from playing in the zone a lot. He is able to body up other bigs in a man-to-man post situation, but often times was rotating and bodying in the zone, which I think takes away from scouts' ability to watch game film of him defensively. He isn't afraid to box out and yet still go get the ball. He is a very active player, which is an important aspect often overlooked, IMO. I think his body could use a little work at the NBA level, but I am sure he is working on that in anticipation of draft workouts.

                    The guy has a nose for rebounding, getting a signicant amount of offensive boards. Offensively, he is still very raw, but that wouldn't matter so much early in his career coming off the bench. I think he does a lot of important things on a basketball court, but because he is a late bloomer of sorts. He has gotten himself in better basketball shape and it was really noticeable this year the difference in what he could do by toning up. I love it that this kid came to play against the biggest opponents. Having consistently big rebounding nights against the best teams. He can't shoot free throws very well. He needs to work on his shooting range. It may be the one thing that prevents him from being drafted, but I think with a little more NBA tutelage he could be a productive PF/C that gets significant minutes in someone's rotation.
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                    • #25
                      Re: Who do you want in the 2nd round?

                      Jon Diebler?

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                      • #26
                        Re: Who do you want in the 2nd round?

                        To hard to say untill I see what we do w/ Rd. 1.
                        -If we trade the pick, I need to know what we get in return (Mayo)?
                        -If we keep #15 it, if we go G (Jimmer/Selby/K.Thompson/Brooks) I go big.
                        -If we keep #15 & go F/C (Singleton/Faried/Motiejunas/Biyombo) I go G.

                        Projected rd. 2 Bigs:
                        -J.Tyler, J.Johnson, J.Williams, G.Smith, C.Parsons, K.Benson

                        Projected rd. 2 G's:
                        -R.Jackson, N.Cole, T.Lesile, M.Lee, Mack, Shumpert
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                        (Watching You Like A Hawk!)

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                        • #27
                          Re: Who do you want in the 2nd round?

                          Jamie Skeen is someone that they should look at, even though he seems to be currently projected to possibly go undrafted. I think he could stick in the NBA as a guy you can bring off the bench and use at either forward spot for some offensive punch. If he does go undrafted, I hope the Pacers are first to call to bring him in as we look to fill out the roster.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Who do you want in the 2nd round?

                            Personally I would love to find a steal, who ever that person is, lol

                            But really I want someone who is a defensive presence, as long as they know how to set screens on offense, and don't make stupid passes I am alright with that...

                            comments..

                            Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                            I don't see Mack, Brooks, or Tyler available when the Pacers draft at #42. Brooks will be a 1st round pick.
                            Mack should be there, but yeah Brooks definitely not, and Tyler will probably go in the beginning part of the second

                            Originally posted by Pacer Fan View Post
                            Figuring 1st round will be SG/SF and will look for a big in the 2nd rnd.
                            Obviously some of these picks won't reach us.

                            1. Alex Burks sg
                            2. Chris Singleton sf
                            3. Jordan Hamilton sf
                            4. Jimmer Fredette pg
                            5. Tobias Harris sf
                            6. Klay Thompson sg
                            7. Marshon Brooks sg

                            2nd round picks
                            1. Jon Leuer - great shooter for a big.
                            2. Jordan Williams
                            3. Jeremy Tyler
                            4. Trey Thompkins
                            I like your 2nd round picks maybe not in that order but good choices

                            Originally posted by PurduePacer View Post
                            What about E'Twaun Moore. I am really curious what he will do in the NBA. Obviously he won't be great in all likelihood, but I think he could contribute to a team. I suppose our pick is little early for him possibly.
                            Not sure how well more would fit in, I like him but not sure what type of NBA play he would be... I could def see him playing oversees... he is def better with the Ball in his hands and I'm not sure how many opportunities he will have like that on the Pacers 2nd team
                            Why so SERIOUS

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                            • #29
                              Re: Who do you want in the 2nd round?

                              Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post
                              Rick Jackson.

                              Big East Defensive Player of the year. Big body at 6'9" has some bulk at 240-250 and can rebound and block shots. He played in a zone at Syracuse, but he was their main big all year. Jackson took off a lot of weight after his junior year and had played progressive minutes over his four-year Syracuse career. He improved in each of the main stat categories every year and had solid totals for steals and assists even. He makes great weakside reads from playing in the zone a lot. He is able to body up other bigs in a man-to-man post situation, but often times was rotating and bodying in the zone, which I think takes away from scouts' ability to watch game film of him defensively. He isn't afraid to box out and yet still go get the ball. He is a very active player, which is an important aspect often overlooked, IMO. I think his body could use a little work at the NBA level, but I am sure he is working on that in anticipation of draft workouts.

                              The guy has a nose for rebounding, getting a signicant amount of offensive boards. Offensively, he is still very raw, but that wouldn't matter so much early in his career coming off the bench. I think he does a lot of important things on a basketball court, but because he is a late bloomer of sorts. He has gotten himself in better basketball shape and it was really noticeable this year the difference in what he could do by toning up. I love it that this kid came to play against the biggest opponents. Having consistently big rebounding nights against the best teams. He can't shoot free throws very well. He needs to work on his shooting range. It may be the one thing that prevents him from being drafted, but I think with a little more NBA tutelage he could be a productive PF/C that gets significant minutes in someone's rotation.

                              I appreciate the info on Rick Jackson. I saw yesterday that NBAdraft had him in the 2nd round, but I didn't see any info on him. Interesting possibility for a late 2nd pick.

                              Speaking of late 2nd rd picks, does anyone remember any info about Derrick Caracter who the Lakes drafted at #58 last year? He's big at 6'9 and 275. I wonder what type of game he had at Louisville?

                              It will be interesting to see what the Lakers will do with their 4-2nd round picks in the draft.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Who do you want in the 2nd round?

                                Originally posted by Psyren View Post
                                No one cares if you get excited over a 2nd round pick. The OP was just asking who you wanted, not whether or not you cared.
                                Wow, rude much? First off, I wasn't replying to the OP, sooooooo yeah.

                                And actually, there are people who read and post on this board who know me in real life, so I'm sure they care what I think. That's more than 'no one'. So, Boo-yah, or whatever Adam West Batman-esque exclamation you'd like to add at the end of it.

                                OK, now that the we've addressed James 'Psyren' Harrison's 15 yard penalty for unnecessary rudeness, can I address the rest, or should I not because no one cares? I mean, I wouldn't want to offend your eyes with my post you don't care about again.

                                Originally posted by Psyren View Post
                                If you find a good player, that's just an added bonus.

                                While you're right that most don't amount to much, it's very possible that they could turn to a very good player.

                                Manu Ginobili, Dennis Rodman, Gilbert Arenas, Jeff Hornacek, Carlos Boozer, Rashard Lewis, Michael Redd, and Antonio Davis were all 2nd round picks.
                                Of course it's a bonus. And if very few players in the 2nd round amount to much, how in the same sentence is it 'very possible' that they turn into a very good player? Kinda contradictory.

                                You know why you can name those guys so quickly that were good 2nd round picks? Because it's so rare, that they make a big deal out of it when it happens. Even then, you went back 20 years to name Hornacek.

                                Either way, I'll be glad if we find one of those types of guys (except Arenas), but like my post said, ON DRAFT NIGHT, I'll never be more excited about the 2nd rounder than the 1st.

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