Not so sure PG will be as good as Danny

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  • McKeyFan
    Intuition over Integers
    • Jan 2004
    • 15062

    Not so sure PG will be as good as Danny

    I sure hope he will be. I hope he will be far better.

    But I think a lot of people on this forum are forgetting how hard it is for players to go from potential to reality.

    It has very little to do with physical talent and proven skills. Players with those two things abound in the NBA. What determines whether you can become a go-to franchise player in the NBA is what happens between the ears. And that's why most players with "P" never get there.

    Paul George shows signs of being able to step up and be the man. He's made some buzzer beating shots. He seems to have good judgment, makes some great passes, and has the range of weapons needed to be a team's leading scorer.

    But not nearly enough evidence is in. He has not been asked to be our leading scorer. He has not yet had to shoulder any kind of burden like that. Danny has not been injured allowing someone like PG to step up.

    It takes a certain kind of mentality—almost weird or antisocial—to be willing to step up as an alpha male and be "the man" on an NBA team. Take Dahntay Jones as exhibit A. He's certainly willing. We needed him to come in against the Thunder and finally put us on the board. Unfortunately, Dahntay doesn't have the tools to be the man. But my point is that this mentality is a bit rare.

    Does Paul George have it? Don't know yet. Does Lance? No idea. Does Collison. Doesn't appear to be the case. Heck, my namesake was Exhibit A (Okay B) for having the talent and skills but not the mentality to be a franchise player.

    So, let's not give up on Danny for potential just yet. I'd like to see Danny play better defense and I wish he passed better (he's not too bad) and had more weapons.

    But guys with the ability to bring you 20 points day in and day out do not grow on trees.

    Until we see a real leaf on the tree and not just a few buds, we better keep what we got, unless we trade for someone else averaging over 20 a night.
    "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

  • PacerDude
    It's just my opinion.
    • May 2009
    • 10049

    #2
    Re: Not so sure PG will be as good as Danny

    I was going to start a new thread, but this seems like a good place to add to.

    PG wants to get better ?? Maybe he should try something like this:



    Sure seems to have worked for those guys. Offseason is when players improve their games. That's why I wasn't exactly all for Granger playing for the US team. He didn't have time to work on his game. Roy worked with teachers during the offseason and it shows. Guys just don't get better during the season. It's too late by then.

    I think it would work wonders for both DG & PG to get hooked up in a program during the summer.

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    • BringJackBack
      Member
      • Jun 2010
      • 8584

      #3
      Re: Not so sure PG will be as good as Danny

      What was the general consensus on Danny during his rookie year? Was it basically this?

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      • Day-V
        Shooting for the Moon
        • Mar 2010
        • 4307

        #4
        Re: Not so sure PG will be as good as Danny

        **** that, Paul George is the next Michael Jordan!




        *crosses fingers*

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        • CooperManning
          Rooting My Family 2 Glory
          • Mar 2010
          • 1414

          #5
          Re: Not so sure PG will be as good as Danny

          Originally posted by BringJackBack
          What was the general consensus on Danny during his rookie year? Was it basically this?
          I remember thinking he'd be a good/very good starter, but not thinking he would ever average 25+ ppg.

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          • MyFavMartin
            This team is Fun!
            • Oct 2007
            • 5510

            #6
            Re: Not so sure PG will be as good as Danny

            The general consensus was that half of us thought we should have gone with Gerald Green.

            Not sure there was a consensus on DG other than he was a no brainer and TPTB called him a top 5 pick of the draft:

            1. Bogut
            2. Marvin Williams
            3. Deron Williams
            4. Chris Paul
            5. Raymond Felton

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            • Sookie
              Member
              • Nov 2009
              • 8493

              #7
              Re: Not so sure PG will be as good as Danny

              It is extremely hard.

              But it's rare to have all that talent. Danny isn't as talented as PG.

              I also think PG's the type to work hard for it, and wants to be great.

              It's not a guarantee that we have a star on our hands. But we've got a really good shot at it.

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              • McKeyFan
                Intuition over Integers
                • Jan 2004
                • 15062

                #8
                Re: Not so sure PG will be as good as Danny

                I remember thinking Danny could be good, but I was also shocked to see him become an over 20ppg player.

                It's just hard to become that kind of player.

                Back then, I was hoping Artest could grow into that leading scorer for us. I don't think he ever did for anybody. And he has the Alpha Male mentality. But you also have to be sane.
                "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                • McKeyFan
                  Intuition over Integers
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 15062

                  #9
                  Re: Not so sure PG will be as good as Danny

                  Originally posted by MyFavMartin
                  The general consensus was that half of us thought we should have gone with Gerald Green.

                  Not sure there was a consensus on DG other than he was a no brainer and TPTB called him a top 5 pick of the draft:

                  1. Bogut
                  2. Marvin Williams
                  3. Deron Williams
                  4. Chris Paul
                  5. Raymond Felton
                  Yeah, I say Danny was the third best in that draft. The only other one drafted before him that's close (besides Bogut) is Andrew Bynum. Danny's better, unless Bynum goes to another level.

                  Of course, David Lee went 30 (toss up) and Monte Ellis went 40, and he's arguably better than Danny.
                  "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                  • imawhat
                    Bring Back David West
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 10762

                    #10
                    Re: Not so sure PG will be as good as Danny

                    Not really a high hurdle with the way Danny's been playing lately.


                    It's all about effort, experience, desire and strength at this point. Talent and smarts appear to be there. He should be the best Pacer rather shortly.

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                    • BringJackBack
                      Member
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 8584

                      #11
                      Re: Not so sure PG will be as good as Danny

                      Yeah but I'll take any average center who is usually healthy compared to Andrew Bynum who's good for forty games a year. That'd just be sickening to have to deal with that as a fan.

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                      • mattie
                        Member
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 3887

                        #12
                        Re: Not so sure PG will be as good as Danny

                        By the way, this is the exact reason as to why Paul George should have been starting already. He needs 30 mins every night, and he needs to learn and be expected to score within the first unit every night.

                        It's not really debatable. This should happen.

                        Seriously if this team had drafted Dwayne Wade, I'd have half expect Wade to ride the bench all season too- Miami made him their number one option half way through the season.

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                        • Jrod Jones
                          Member
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 171

                          #13
                          Re: Not so sure PG will be as good as Danny

                          Originally posted by mattie

                          Seriously if this team had drafted Dwayne Wade, I'd have half expect Wade to ride the bench all season too- Miami made him their number one option half way through the season.
                          Miami was in a different situation completely. They were coming off of a 25 win season in which Eddie Jones was the only player to average more than 15ppg. They were in a position to deal with many more growing pains as a team then we are in.

                          We are in a legit playoff hunt and yes, I think George should be getting 20-25min. And yes, I think he meshes with the starters well. I don't think it would be best for our team to throw him into the 30+min starting role this year. Starting next year I think its a good idea but I want to see what we can do this year first.

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                          • pacer4ever
                            Member
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 17172

                            #14
                            Re: Not so sure PG will be as good as Danny

                            Originally posted by Jrod Jones
                            Miami was in a different situation completely. They were coming off of a 25 win season in which Eddie Jones was the only player to average more than 15ppg. They were in a position to deal with many more growing pains as a team then we are in.

                            We are in a legit playoff hunt and yes, I think George should be getting 20-25min. And yes, I think he meshes with the starters well. I don't think it would be best for our team to throw him into the 30+min starting role this year. Starting next year I think its a good idea but I want to see what we can do this year first.
                            FYI the Heat made the playoffs that year

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                            • mattie
                              Member
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 3887

                              #15
                              Re: Not so sure PG will be as good as Danny

                              Originally posted by Jrod Jones
                              Miami was in a different situation completely. They were coming off of a 25 win season in which Eddie Jones was the only player to average more than 15ppg. They were in a position to deal with many more growing pains as a team then we are in.

                              We are in a legit playoff hunt and yes, I think George should be getting 20-25min. And yes, I think he meshes with the starters well. I don't think it would be best for our team to throw him into the 30+min starting role this year. Starting next year I think its a good idea but I want to see what we can do this year first.
                              They were simply a bad team. Just like the Pacers. It's no different. This idea that PG is somehow better coming off the bench because he needs to develop and has more scoring options is just ridiculous.

                              The goon squad already has a number one and two option and that is the two black holes Hands Bro and DJ. It's not like he has that many opportunities playing 20 mins off the bench. The idea that it will hurt the team is preposterous considering that Rush is simply not that good. PG is already a huge improvement over Rush. He plays better defense, (no matter how hard everyone on this board tells themselves Rush is so great on D), he makes much better decisions, he attacks the basket when given the opportunity, and he is always more than willing to create his own 20 foot jump shot.

                              Everyone keeps talking about how the starting lineup starts out slow and cannot score any points and then you act as if improving the starting lineup will hurt the team!

                              We are a very young team that right now just isn't that good. That's why we want to allow the young guys to do what we expect right?

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