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  • #76
    Re: Let's do post-game threads again.. Pacers win!

    I didn't get to watch the first half, save the last few minutes before halftime as the lead evaporated, but here's what I saw.

    THE PACERS WON A CLOSE GAME!!

    The fouling and defense was maddening, but the offense seemed a little better executed tonight compared to the Toronto game. I think these things will improve as the guys get used to a rotation and consistency.

    Paul George has the sweetest jumper on this team. I really hope he grows and learns and develops into what the best he can be.

    Roy Hibbert needs to spend this offseason eating Wheaties and working out with Hansbrough. The man is 7'2" and has plenty of skill, but he's just not strong enough to dominate like he should. Hans, on the other hand, has muscle to spare. I love watching him go for a rebound because you just know nothing is gonna stand in his way. Tyler needs to rub off on Roy, and give the Big Fella a little mean streak.

    DC is well on his way to becoming an All Star point guard. 22pts/9ast/4rbs/4st from DC tonight is a darn good performance. Plus, only 3 turnovers tonight. If he can keep this up, he can lead this team to a lot of wins.

    Danny hasn't had his best statistical games under Vogel, but I don't think he's playing poorly. What I really like is that he seems (to me anyways) to be attacking the rim a little more. He should spend the offseason with McRoberts and learn how FINISH at the rim. Danny's a strong enough guy, but he goes to the rack like he's afraid of something. Throw it down, Danny!

    Josh and Tyler were....wait for it.....irrelevant tonight. I didn't feel like either one of them played exceptionally well, and like someone said earlier in this thread (Sookie, maybe?) had one of them played better, this game would've been much easier.

    I don't want to overlook AJ Price. He didn't have some monster game or do anything special, but I think he deserves credit for simply not being TJ Ford. When Price comes in, I have as much confidence in him as anyone to make sound decisions and score a few points. Compared to TJ, whose mission in life is to find a new way to lose in every game, AJ is a breath of fresh air.

    One thing that I think we can all agree on, is that we like Vogel's increased focus on getting Roy good looks close to the basket, and the increased PnR/PnPs that we see DC running. What I think we need to realize is that these changes are probably the reasons we've seen Danny's numbers drop. We all wanted Danny to get some help, and Vogel seems to think that's a good idea. Now that Danny is getting help, we're wondering why his numbers are down, but it's pretty obvious. He had 23 pts tonight, on the strength of a solid 4th Q that included a big 3pt shot and an assist on a big 3pt shot, but look at the rest of the team. 22 from DC, 13 from Hans, Roy, and George, 15 from Dun...this is a good thing, folks. As the team adjusts to some of the new wrinkles and emphases, Danny will adjust and his numbers will level out.

    All in all, this team is better than barely beating the Cavs, but there are a lot of factors that went into this game. That's not saying that if they play like this against the Celtics that they won't get destroyed, but I think there are legitimate reasons for not blowing out the Cavs. They need to play better, especially on defense, and I think they will. With each passing game, you can see a little more confidence, IMO. Against Toronto, Roy had his groove. Tonight, DC played great. In the next game, maybe Paul George explodes for 30 pts. The big thing is I feel they're actually learning to win. With JOB, it was like we'd just hope to hang on. Tonight's game was won because Vogel put the onus on the players and they rose to the occasion with big shots (DC), big defensive play (Roy), and confident, smart play from their leader (Danny).
    It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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    • #77
      Re: Let's do post-game threads again.. Pacers win!

      This is how bad the refs were tonight. I turned on the game tonight a little late and I saw a bunch of really bad calls. I was like "man, this is Bavetta like bad, and if he's reffing that we are screwed because he's terrible." Sure enough I seen his old *** blow a terrible call a few plays later. Do these refs stay in teams? Because the other refs were just as bad tonight.

      I mean what do TPTB think we are all mindless sheep? My biggest problem with the league is it seems fixed to an extent. Tonight, and other nights, it's alot more obvious.

      I agree with Hicks it is getting sickening see our post guys get mugged, and then on the other end of the floor the refs turn a block by one of our guys into a phantom foul.

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      • #78
        Re: Let's do post-game threads again.. Pacers win!

        Oh and the best thing about tonight? No motion offense and Hibbert, McRoberts, and Collison close out a close game, and we win? Who'd a thunk it?

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        • #79
          Re: Let's do post-game threads again.. Pacers win!

          Originally posted by pizza guy View Post
          Tyler needs to rub off on Roy, and give the Big Fella a little mean streak.
          could not agree more with this statement. good post.

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          • #80
            Re: Let's do post-game threads again.. Pacers win!

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            Just like I said in the game thread, guys need to calm down when the young guys are making mistakes and no playing the right way, remember that the previous coach was teaching them how to play bad basketball and is going to take a while to remove that from the guys.
            Just stop with this garbage...it's becoming a bad joke. I didn't like O'brien and it was his time to go, but he is well respected in the league as a good coach...he didn't teach anybody how to play "Bad basketball." I am not even going to go further, I will say the man certainly has his faults...but he didn't get to where he is now by "teaching bad basketball"

            I am as happy to see O'brien gone as anybody and so far I love Vogel, but seriously bring SOMETHING new to the table....I am sure you are capable of it.
            Last edited by Jon Theodore; 02-03-2011, 12:59 AM.
            *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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            • #81
              Re: Let's do post-game threads again.. Pacers win!

              Roy does need to put on muscle. Him losing weight was good because he lost fat. I don't think he lost any strength this last summer. He never was that strong. Being at the lower weight just means he is pushed around more. I've said it multiple times he needs to work on his core and his legs. Upper body isn't as important when banging bodies in the post. Plus putting on up top will hurt his knees, ala Jermaine O'Neal.

              And by saying that let me also say that it is incredibly unrealistic for him to have done it this past summer. He is still retooling his body now. I think if he focuses on strength this summer it will make him much better to go with the conditioning he focused on last summer.

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              • #82
                Re: Let's do post-game threads again.. Pacers win!

                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                I'm talking about the young guys, they never got to play that many minutes together and like you said the defense was sucking before the new coach when Jim was still playing TJ,Posey and Foster big minutes.
                Just for the record...O'briens rotation (widely criticized, even by people qualified to do so) and "Teaching bad basketball" are two totally seperate topics. When you say he is "Teaching bad basketball" that does not imply to me anything regarding how many minutes the young players play together.

                Your initial post regarding "teaching bad basketball" was clearly not "talking about the young guys" and if it was your intention, then you need to work on your communication skills.


                Had you said "Remember guys, a lot of our young guys haven't played extended minutes together due to O'briens erratic rotations." It would have been very clear what you meant. But I am just not seeing the jump from "teaching bad basketball" to ""I was talking about the young guys."

                Nice try though.
                *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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                • #83
                  Re: Let's do post-game threads again.. Pacers win!

                  Why are we being so harsh?

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                  • #84
                    Re: Let's do post-game threads again.. Pacers win!

                    Just sick of seeing the same garbage posted over and over, it's very trollish.
                    *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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                    • #85
                      Re: Let's do post-game threads again.. Pacers win!

                      Originally posted by Jon Theodore View Post
                      I will say the man certainly has his faults...but he didn't get to where he is now by "teaching bad basketball"
                      Of course "where he is now" is FIRED.




                      Man, I LOVE saying that!!!!!
                      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                      -John Wooden

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                      • #86
                        Re: Let's do post-game threads again.. Pacers win!

                        if i had to choose between zeke thomas or JOb to coach this team.. i would likely have to flip a coin!

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                        • #87
                          Re: Let's do post-game threads again.. Pacers win!

                          Originally posted by Jon Theodore View Post
                          Just sick of seeing the same garbage posted over and over, it's very trollish.


                          Thats fine, but I feel vnzla was treated a little unjust because he made two seperate posts and they were compared to one another.

                          Heres my point of view on the whole "bad basketball" thing.

                          - He turned Danny into a big time three point shooter (Or chucker)
                          - He forced Josh to shoot threes ever since being in the rotation until he was fired (He hasn't shot a single three since)
                          - He's let Rush get away with being lazy on offense since the 5th option's role is a catch and shoot player
                          - He wouldn't play Dahntay because he isn't a three point shooter.

                          To be fair, those are minor (Besides Danny), but it's still there at least in my opinion.

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                          • #88
                            Re: Let's do post-game threads again.. Pacers win!

                            Originally posted by docpaul View Post
                            Cleveland is still in the season ticket honeymoon stage. Let's see what their attendance looks like next year.
                            I'm not just talking about their basketball team. I understand all of these things. They have wholeheartedly supported the ****ty Browns for as long as they have been there. Colts support blossomed only after they started winning. I love Indy, I am one of those fans, but lots of fairweather fans around here. Many of my friends are among them.

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                            • #89
                              Re: Let's do post-game threads again.. Pacers win!

                              I'm disappointed. I found out Jeff Foster wears uggz from Dahntay Brandon and Paul.

                              I lost a lot of respect for him tonight.

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                              • #90
                                Re: Let's do post-game threads again.. Pacers win!

                                Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
                                Thats fine, but I feel vnzla was treated a little unjust because he made two seperate posts and they were compared to one another.

                                Heres my point of view on the whole "bad basketball" thing.

                                - He turned Danny into a big time three point shooter (Or chucker)
                                - He forced Josh to shoot threes ever since being in the rotation until he was fired (He hasn't shot a single three since)
                                - He's let Rush get away with being lazy on offense since the 5th option's role is a catch and shoot player
                                - He wouldn't play Dahntay because he isn't a three point shooter.

                                To be fair, those are minor (Besides Danny), but it's still there at least in my opinion.

                                I was referencing two posts that were completely related.

                                I'm lazy and on the verge of falling asleep, can't remember if it was Hicks or Unclebuck who responded to the intitial post of "he taught them bad basketball" with "so the coach was teaching them to foul a lot and get beat on defense?"

                                It was a leading question, trying to prove the same point I am (which is why don't you actually contribute something if your are going to post, otherwise just read...thats what I do most of the time).

                                His (vnzla) reponse was "I was talking about the young guys" (rotation).


                                Didn't we ban that ridiculous Hansbrough fan for similar behavior??? (every post essentially being the same, trollish garbage)
                                *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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