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  • Just a friendly reminder...

    I won't go into details, but everyone on here pretty much has said in one form or another that O'Brien has got to go. That's all fine and dandy with me, and I share some of that resentment towards him, but you guys need to remember something...

    This team is still the Indiana Pacers.

    I know this team is difficult to stick with when we have a "clown", "dip****", "idiot" as our coach. (You get the picture.) But you do need to realize that we are fans of the team, or the individual players on the team.

    To totally give up on this team really doesn't look good on a fan's part because a franchise is going to make mistakes, whether they are aware of them or not. Just like we make the decisions we do on a regular basis, there is always a pro and con to each decision. Maybe they see something we don't, I don't know. All I do know is what they have in place isn't working.

    I know you all have given up on O'Brien. That's okay, I have too. What I am asking however, is to not give up on this team. They may go 10 games under .500 this season, again...but at least there is hope after O'Brien is finally gone. It'll happen. Maybe not today, next week, after the trade deadline, but I am confident that going into next season (whenever that may happen) that we'll have a new coach.

    You've all stuck with it this long, what's another 1/2 of a season going to do?

    I hate seeing people threaten to leave PD, or give up their season tickets. That's not what being a fan is all about. I know losing sucks. I've been doing this thing for 5 years now.

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    Well said Duke. I've been a fan of the Pacers from 1967 and have survived some pretty bad coaches, players, management and this is not the worst. Relax and watch the games, celebrate when they win. Watch Oprah when they lose. Have a beer and enjoy!

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    • #3
      Re: Just a friendly reminder...

      I am and will always be a Pacer fan. I just don't want this coach around ruining my/our team.
      I'm not perfect and neither are you.

      Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the esteem of Elohim,
      Ephisians 4: 32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

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      • #4
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        I agree, and actually the team is close to being in the best position it has been in sicne the vbrawl for sure, and probably since the late 90's. They have some good young players, cap space - things can be turned around here very, very quickly - within 1 year.

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        • #5
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          I just look at Jim as something to b*tch about at the next PTO. I don't have my hopes up that he will be fired this season.
          Passion. Pride. Patience. Pacers

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          • #6
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            Fans only get one way that matters to voice their displeasure. Message boards and changing avatars, and twitter and blog posts are all well and good. But only one way truly matters and that's money. Many fans are already voting with their wallets by way of not spending a dime on the team. Now the Pacers are risking losing the fans who have chosen to stick with them. Those folks will soon begin voting with their wallets as well. I hate sound so callous about a team I care about, but if they don't have any more sense than this, they deserve everything that happens as a result.

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            • #7
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              I'll never stop supporting the team as a fan, but as a ticket buying fan I most definitely will stop supporting the team if Jim O'Brien is still the coach after this season. I don't feel like that is out of line with being a true fan in any way.

              Look at it this way, I love my family to death and always will. I used to let family members borrow money and typically never got a return on that money. So eventually I just cut my losses and washed my hands of the debts, with the understanding that I would not be lending out money anymore. Doesn't mean I stopped loving those family members, just that I know when I'm wasting my money and that's not something that I'm interested in doing for much longer.

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              • #8
                Re: Just a friendly reminder...

                Originally posted by duke dynamite View Post
                I know you all have given up on O'Brien. That's okay, I have too. What I am asking however, is to not give up on this team. They may go 10 games under .500 this season, again...but at least there is hope after O'Brien is finally gone. It'll happen. Maybe not today, next week, after the trade deadline, but I am confident that going into next season (whenever that may happen) that we'll have a new coach.

                You've all stuck with it this long, what's another 1/2 of a season going to do?

                I hate seeing people threaten to leave PD, or give up their season tickets. That's not what being a fan is all about. I know losing sucks. I've been doing this thing for 5 years now.
                Duke, what if you are wrong? What if Bird rehires him?

                Preposterous? About as preposterous as the extension.

                Seriously. If you KNEW that JOB will get rehired for next year, would you act differently? Can you really blame certain fans—who share my own fears and suspicions—for elevating the protesting and demonstrations?

                The fans are a critical part of the franchise. How they voice their pleasure or displeasure is a key factor in how things play out.

                Indiana fans have been too patient for too long with non-Indiana-like basketball and a coach who lacks basic common sense in dealing with the human personality.
                "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                • #9
                  Re: Just a friendly reminder...

                  Indiana fans have been too patient for too long with non-Indiana-like basketball and a coach who lacks basic common sense in dealing with the human personality.
                  In college and pro levels both, at least we got a good recruit next year LOL.
                  But seriously, I spend at least $1000/year on pacers tix/merch for me and my family and Im from southern Indiana, and I will not attend another game, or buy another item until JOB is gone.
                  "Did we learn anything?"-Jonathan Ames

                  "No, but thats okay, It's a good thing to stay in the dark about things - it keeps life more interesting."- George Christopher

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                  • #10
                    Re: Just a friendly reminder...

                    Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                    Duke, what if you are wrong? What if Bird rehires him?

                    Preposterous? About as preposterous as the extension.

                    Seriously. If you KNEW that JOB will get rehired for next year, would you act differently? Can you really blame certain fans—who share my own fears and suspicions—for elevating the protesting and demonstrations?

                    The fans are a critical part of the franchise. How they voice their pleasure or displeasure is a key factor in how things play out.

                    Indiana fans have been too patient for too long with non-Indiana-like basketball and a coach who lacks basic common sense in dealing with the human personality.
                    But no one said or has hinted that he'd be rehired, so that doesn't matter.

                    Just like with anything in life, you have to just ride with the cards dealt to you and in this case just wait and see. Hopefully TPTB will do the right thing.

                    When I say right thing, I don't mean listen to the fans whine and give in. I want them to make this decision purely from a development and progress standpoint. (In which the fans are right, but it shouldn't be up to the fans how the team is ran.)

                    I think freaking out about something that hasn't happened yet, let alone most-likely won't happen shouldn't continue.

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                      Re: Just a friendly reminder...

                      Originally posted by duke dynamite View Post
                      But no one said or has hinted that he'd be rehired, so that doesn't matter.

                      Just like with anything in life, you have to just ride with the cards dealt to you and in this case just wait and see. Hopefully TPTB will do the right thing.

                      When I say right thing, I don't mean listen to the fans whine and give in. I want them to make this decision purely from a development and progress standpoint. (In which the fans are right, but it shouldn't be up to the fans how the team is ran.)

                      I think freaking out about something that hasn't happened yet, let alone most-likely won't happen shouldn't continue.
                      Everything you have said here could apply to last year's extension.

                      No one had hinted about it. It was so unlikely, no one brought it up.

                      Did Bird make the extension decision "purely from a development and progress standpoint?" He probably thinks he did. He has bad judgment in this area, apparently.

                      Based on past history, it is MORE likely he is rehired than less likely.

                      Someone needs to shout that the emperor has no clothes. Larry Bird, basketball genius on the court, is NOT a genius when it comes to certain matters in the front office. The sooner the fans let him know, the sooner the franchise will recover. Mel Daniels and probably Granger gave a short effort after the extension last year, but the fans never really did. Time for the Indiana basketball culture to step up and correct this part of Bird's false legacy. He's a stubborn figurehead who's never been confronted head on in his entire life.
                      Last edited by McKeyFan; 01-03-2011, 11:14 AM.
                      "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                      • #12
                        Re: Just a friendly reminder...

                        Let's say JOB isn't fired. Who would rather have the lockout?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Just a friendly reminder...

                          While I appreciate the sentiment of this thread, anyone who thinks that O'Brien not being the coach next season, and beyond, is a foregone conclusion, has not been paying enough attention to recent history.

                          As someone who spent far more money than I probably should have, through some very lean years, the Pacers will not receive a dime from me next season if he still is employed.

                          I've put up with a lot, but at some point, you have to draw a line.

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                          • #14
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                            I completely disagree with you McKeyFan. JOB's extension made all the sense in the world with a one year gap between his guaranteed years and the new CBA/possible lockout. I believe that the "extension" which you refer to was actually the team option that was originally designed in his contract for that specific reason... which was to run out at the time of a new CBA. It's not like we were going to be mistakenly a great contending team. That was pretty obvious with our direction. Were we going to try to make the playoffs, yes, but we didn't have the assets to acquire anyone that would get us there. A playoff series at least gets the owners some cash in pocket and gets the guys we do have some playoff experience.

                            I stand by my opinion about last year's "extension". Now if he does return next season as you suggest, then that is a different can of worms.
                            "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                              Re: Just a friendly reminder...

                              I'm a Pacer fan for more than winning (God knows THAT'S the case), and, at a certain level, for more that just watching a team play some specifically-defined "my" brand of basketball.

                              I am a fan of Indianapolis having the Pacers in much the way a die-hard Cubs fan is a fan of Chicago having the Cubs - no matter how inept the on-field product, no matter how ridiculous the pitching rotation, no matter how bad the management.

                              I am a fan of going to the games, of watching the game unfold, of second-guessing my own thoughts about how and why the game is going the way it is going. I am a fan of the experience, and of sharing that experience with my wife, who feels the same way.

                              I don't know if I'll be at a point where I'm not willing to buy season tickets to watch the team. I suspect if it happens it will only be for economic reasons. I continue to support the team because I know (not think, KNOW) that things can change as quickly as one trade and one coach.

                              I understand griping and moaning - it is, as was said, the right of every fan, and I do my share. I understand people who don't feel as strongly about the team as I do wanting to vote with their wallets. I suppose I even understand that some would rather lose the team than have a team that loses, though I'll never agree with that at any level.

                              I'll still be a fan of the Pacers, even if the apocalyptic nature of PD drives me away from here.
                              BillS

                              A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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