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  • #16
    Re: Odd man out?

    Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
    Guaranteeing a player $50,000 makes you believe that the organization views him as one of the least disposable players? Hell, they guaranteed fellow second round pick Lance Stephenson $1,560,000.

    This is a business. All things being equal, I'm sure they would much rather keep Rolle than one of the old guys. But things aren't equal.
    Do you have a link showing that Rolle is only guaranteed 50K? I cannot find it anywhere.

    I agree with you about the business perspective. However, there are multiple ways of looking at business and its expenses. Certainly getting rid of Rolle in reducing the roster to 15 would only cost them 50K, if your info is correct. But keep in mind that one of their goals must be retaining (and even acquiring) as many valuable assets as possible by the end of the season. Keeping Rolle now might be giving them an additional bargaining chip to help acquire a PF, SG or backup center later.

    Considering Rolle's performance in the summer league, and what we have read regarding him throughout the summer, it is apparent that the Pacers view Rolle as a valuable asset.... potentially a very valuable asset.

    From my perspective, and I think the Pacers as well, Rolle is someone that is well worth the gamble. They wouldn't have bothered signing him as the 16th player under contract otherwise. So, I believe that he is someone that they would retain over SJones or DJones, for example. I'm not a big fan of the word "potential", but Rolle just has way too much of it to part with over other marginal players.
    Last edited by beast23; 10-12-2010, 01:58 AM.

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    • #17
      Re: Odd man out?

      It is a business, but that doesn't mean the best business move is to just cut whoever will cost you less. In the short term maybe, but there is a long term as well. If you consider the guys who have only 1 year left on their contracts a guy like Rolle may make little enough that it is worth it to cut one of the bigger contracts in order to keep a cheap piece who could become a big piece in 2 or 3 seasons. Business is a balance of short term and long term which is why the obvious short term answer may not be the best option.

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      • #18
        Re: Odd man out?

        itll probably be a battle between rolle and jones. Neither are particularly great, but solomon jones's experience and comfort in Obie's offense makes him the favorite to be the 15th man.

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        • #19
          Re: Odd man out?

          I think you have to go into the season with 6 bigs, especially with Foster and Hansbrough missing so much time last year. It's gotta be a wing, right? Or possibly revisit the TJ buyout?

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          • #20
            Re: Odd man out?

            I think Magnum can do a little bit more than Solo can offensively.

            Solo tries to shoot a little outside of the post, but doesn't look comfortable and is undersized to play in the middle.

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            • #21
              Re: Odd man out?

              We're going to send a player to the D-League for the first time. Solomon Jones won't be cut, and Magnum Rolle will be sent to the D-League to start the season. The team will continue to attempt to make a 2 for 1 trade, at which point they will call up Rolle from the D-League to fill out the roster.

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              • #22
                Re: Odd man out?

                Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
                We're going to send a player to the D-League for the first time. Solomon Jones won't be cut, and Magnum Rolle will be sent to the D-League to start the season. The team will continue to attempt to make a 2 for 1 trade, at which point they will call up Rolle from the D-League to fill out the roster.
                He still would count against the roster if he were sent to Ft. Wayne.
                "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

                -Lance Stephenson

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                • #23
                  Re: Odd man out?

                  Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
                  He still would count against the roster if he were sent to Ft. Wayne.

                  http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/09/25/a...ffiliate-bond/


                  In accordance with the NBA, the NBA Development League will implement a rule change with regard to how D-League rosters are assembled. Beginning this season, up to three players cut last from the roster of an NBA team before the D-League Draft will be allocated to that team's D-League affiliate provided they sign the standard D-League contract.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Odd man out?

                    They wouldn't be under contract to the NBA team though, so anyone could bring them up I believe. I don't think the NBA team retain sole rights. So it wouldn't help in this case. If I'm wrong that would really be awesome, though.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Odd man out?

                      I would like a trade to be coming, but I just don't see it unless we go ahead and trade Dunleavy.

                      I suspect that Ford is going to be used by O'B this year as the third point/wing, leaving the Pacers to eat his contract and release him at the end of the year. That leaves Stephenson the odd man out in my opinion due to his only skill being scoring, and I still think he will be streaky at it, regardless of the outcome of his trial.

                      Paul George would be my second choice due to his not being close to ready to contribute while the Pacers need all the help they can get right now.

                      Rolle is a needed player, also, and a cheap insurance policy for the 4, while Solo is an insurance policy for the 4/5 who knows the O'B system, and with Foster vulnerable to recurrence of his back problems, Hansbrough vulnerable to possibly returning vertigo, and now McRoberts having suffered a shot to the noggin from Howard, the interior is once again an area that having bodies is important.

                      Posey is a practice player who will provide lockerroom presence and additional buy-in for O'Brien, McCarty, and Potapenko so he is here no matter what he does on the court.

                      I wouldn't mind seeing Dahntay go, but nobody would take on his contract because he is overpaid for what he brings as a combination of the good and bad, and he is also a practice player who might be able to provide resistance against our offense and contribute that way.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Odd man out?

                        Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post

                        Rolle isn't guaranteed beyond $50k. Barring a trade, he's the cut.

                        I disagree. If the Pacers were going to just cut Rolle, they wouldn't have signed him. Rolle, imo, has more upside than Solo, so I don't see him being the one cut.

                        My guess is if no trades are made b4 the season starts and Stephenson comes out of his hearing ok that Solo will be cut.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Odd man out?

                          I guess I started thinking about waiving players and a question popped into my head, if you have to pay a player anyways if you cut the or keep them, and you also have a rookie that isn't really costing you that much but you feel that he could contribute to your team in the future why not just cut the guy that makes a bunch of money, it probably won't hurt you very much.

                          I understand that you wont have that player anymore to contribute but you will still have the player that you kept to contribute.

                          Especially if they only have one year left on their deal
                          Why so SERIOUS

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                          • #28
                            Re: Odd man out?

                            Solo, then Posey, then Jones D...
                            http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
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                            • #29
                              Re: Odd man out?

                              Originally posted by Brad8888 View Post
                              I would like a trade to be coming, but I just don't see it unless we go ahead and trade Dunleavy.

                              I suspect that Ford is going to be used by O'B this year as the third point/wing, leaving the Pacers to eat his contract and release him at the end of the year. That leaves Stephenson the odd man out in my opinion due to his only skill being scoring, and I still think he will be streaky at it, regardless of the outcome of his trial.

                              Paul George would be my second choice due to his not being close to ready to contribute while the Pacers need all the help they can get right now.

                              Rolle is a needed player, also, and a cheap insurance policy for the 4, while Solo is an insurance policy for the 4/5 who knows the O'B system, and with Foster vulnerable to recurrence of his back problems, Hansbrough vulnerable to possibly returning vertigo, and now McRoberts having suffered a shot to the noggin from Howard, the interior is once again an area that having bodies is important.

                              Posey is a practice player who will provide lockerroom presence and additional buy-in for O'Brien, McCarty, and Potapenko so he is here no matter what he does on the court.

                              I wouldn't mind seeing Dahntay go, but nobody would take on his contract because he is overpaid for what he brings as a combination of the good and bad, and he is also a practice player who might be able to provide resistance against our offense and contribute that way.

                              NO WAY PG IS GOING TO BE CUT! Bird isn't about to cut a player with his future. Bird cutting PG would wave a flag saying he drafted the wrong player. With Bird's pride that's never going to happen. Why cut PG and keep another rookie in Stephenson who hasn't been a poster child in the few short months he's been a Pacer. Stephenson will never be a better player than PG.

                              If the Pacers can wait on Rush to get it together after 2 years, they aren't going to cut PG. Not to mention the salary they will owe PG if they cut him. There will be 29 other teams standing in line to sign PG if he's cut. I'd be extremely surprised if Bird would trade Paul George let along cut him to get to a roster of 15.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Odd man out?

                                Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                                NO WAY PG IS GOING TO BE CUT! Bird isn't about to cut a player with his future. Bird cutting PG would wave a flag saying he drafted the wrong player. With Bird's pride that's never going to happen. Why cut PG and keep another rookie in Stephenson who hasn't been a poster child in the few short months he's been a Pacer. Stephenson will never be a better player than PG.

                                If the Pacers can wait on Rush to get it together after 2 years, they aren't going to cut PG. Not to mention the salary they will owe PG if they cut him. There will be 29 other teams standing in line to sign PG if he's cut. I'd be extremely surprised if Bird would trade Paul George let along cut him to get to a roster of 15.
                                I think you misunderstood me.

                                Stephenson is the player I believe they are going to cut, not George, but George would be my second choice. I believe the Pacers probably recognize the liability of Stephenson due to his history, took a chance due to his scoring capabilities, and are seeing for themselves how one dimensional his play is. It wouldn't be the first time that the Pacers have cut a highly athletic scoring machine from the second round after giving them a guaranteed rookie contract, only to discover that they didn't have the remaining skills to actually play effectively in the NBA. I could be wrong, it could just be that O'Brien has told him to focus on scoring and not bother with anything else until he gets more comfortable, but I doubt that.

                                I was thrilled when the Pacers drafted George because I thought he was the best available player with the most upside, and he may still be that. He at least attempts to play defense and has offensive skills, but needs lots of time to develop court awareness on both ends of the court. I just don't think the Pacers have the luxury of waiting for him to contribute, especially with O'Brien's dubious history with respect to developing young players. But, I hope the Pacers keep him for a time that they decide to bring in a coach who will teach him the game.

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