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    Kellogg faces early challenges - Looks like Lance will be here.

    http://www.indystar.com/article/2010...1062/SPORTS04/

    Kellogg-faces-early-challengesClark Kellogg's first crisis as the Indiana Pacers' vice president of player relations came just a few weeks after he was hired by the team. His second came just 12 days later.

    Rookie Lance Stephenson (who is facing felony assault charges stemming from an altercation with his girlfriend) and Brandon Rush (suspended five games after testing positive for marijuana for the third time) gave Kellogg an unpleasant welcome to his new role. The incidents also brought back painful memories from several years ago.

    "Those were significant gut shots right away on a number of levels," Kellogg said recently from his home in Columbus, Ohio.

    Kellogg, 49, will keep his role as Pacers television analyst on the road and as the lead college basketball analyst for CBS while commuting between Ohio and Indianapolis.

    The former Pacers first-round draftee shared a few thoughts on his new position.

    Question: How did you end up with this job?

    Answer: (General manager) David Morway approached me back in March. We had a couple of conversations by phone that they were thinking about making a change at that position. He thought I would be a strong candidate. From my understanding, I became the only candidate after we started talking.

    I think it's through my association through the team. How I tried to conduct myself and do things in all aspects of my life. I think they felt like I could be an asset in another aspect of the franchise.

    Q: What makes you think you can handle this job, which, as you can tell, won't be easy?

    A: I spoke at a Business of Basketball function back in December that included front office personnel and the team. I shared from my heart how important it is to carry yourself the right way and do the right things now and for your future.

    I talked about my transition from being a promising young player to having my career cut short to how things have unfolded for me. I really shared from my heart to take advantage of their opportunity. I think that kind of put the antenna up on the organization.

    Q: Did you always envision yourself in this type of role?

    A: I really didn't envision it, but I've always been involved in Christian organizations: Athletes in Action, the Fellowship of Christian Athletes and other outreach organizations. I want to try to convey life lessons but also to share my faith. I've always had a heart to mentor and to impact young people. It's something that has been ringing in my heart for a long time.

    This kind of came about as a way to scratch all the itches in one place. It's always a way for me to grow professionally.

    It's challenging because trying to do it from where I'm at in Columbus along with everything else put on my plate, it's going to require a lot of work.

    Q: What do you see as your biggest challenge with the job?

    A: The challenge is trying to get very young players to understand the importance of their total development. Everything that comes at them from a basketball standpoint is a high priority, demanding, challenging, requires great mental and physical concentration. Also they have to be made aware of how important it is to grow in other areas. When you have young guys that are talented, making a lot of money, that have been coddled, encouraged to have a sense of entitlement, it becomes a challenge to get them to understand how the little things become important.

    I want to help them become the team that the city, the state, the league is proud of in how they handle their business. That's how I've envisioned it in my mind at this point.

    Q: The Pacers are a team with quite a few young players. How do you plan to do the job while living in Ohio and also continuing to work at CBS?

    A: It's a work (in) progress. I really don't have a definitive answer. I think it can be done. The Pacers are adamant about wanting me to continue what I've been doing on the broadcasting side with them, understanding my CBS priorities are at the top of the heap as well.

    I'm hopeful as I get more and more familiar with my responsibilities, more and more familiar with my players and come to grips with what type of programming that the players relations team is going to put in place to help our players grow on and off the court, that a vast majority of my work can be done in the offseason and up until the start of the college basketball season.

    Q: The Stephenson and Rush incidents didn't allow you to get off to a smooth start. What are your thoughts on the two?

    A: Anything impacting our players, especially off-the-court stuff, is an issue for our players and the franchise. It falls under my responsibility under player relations. Those were significant gut shots right away on a number of levels. Yet you have to try to do what we can as an organization to get our guys back on the right track.

    The situation with Brandon is primarily at this point a league matter and that the anti-drug program is confidential until they're suspended.

    With Lance, we've been a little bit more hands on and intervening. We got him into some counseling that he's required to do. So far it seems like it's going well. (President) Larry (Bird) and David then decide when he gets back into regular team workouts. He is working out with some supervision with our coaches. He's 20 years old, taking that into consideration. You try to help these guys deal with the bumps they run into because of poor choices and other issues. As some of the folks around the office said, "Welcome to player relations."[/
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  • #2
    Re: Kellogg faces early challenges - Looks like Lance will be here.

    Of course Lance will be here. I've been saying that all along.
    *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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    • #3
      Re: Kellogg faces early challenges - Looks like Lance will be here.

      Originally posted by Jon Theodore View Post
      Of course Lance will be here. I've been saying that all along.
      I hope so , for many reasons.

      I wonder if the Pacers "know something " already
      Sittin on top of the world!

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      • #4
        Re: Kellogg faces early challenges - Looks like Lance will be here.

        With Lance, we've been a little bit more hands on and intervening. We got him into some counseling that he's required to do.
        I wonder if this means 'required by the legal system'? It seems oddly worded if he just meant the Pacers are requiring it. If not the Pacers requiring it then that would mean the Pacers (likely) DO know something about what path this is on to resolution. That would mean Lance likely has some kind of opportunity to get counseling in exchange for some type of lighter sentence/plea bargain, deferral, or something else less than a guilty plea for what we all heard would be the initial charges and penalty (IE- Serious jail time).
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

        -John Wooden

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        • #5
          Re: Kellogg faces early challenges - Looks like Lance will be here.

          Well, instead of hating on milk drinkers, Larry Bird has now brought in the creme de la creme.

          Score one for the narrow road.
          "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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          • #6
            Re: Kellogg faces early challenges - Looks like Lance will be here.

            Good luck to Clark Kellogg who I believe to be a great human being. He will need all the help and luck he can get to both do the new job he has been hired for effectively as well as continuing his career in broadcasting.

            So, confirmation of what was shown from the lockerroom tour pictures with Stephenson being a part of the franchise? The next question is, I suppose, how will the team handle the tightrope it will walk from a public perception standpoint? Many who have actually followed his story have basically tried and convicted him already, and even if it comes out (which I haven't seen yet) that his girlfriend somehow fabricated the entire story, how many will believe the new story vs. how many will think that she is backing off and changing her story either out of simply wanting to maximize what she and their child end up with in the long term by not wanting to damage Lance's possible NBA career or that she is actually expressing a classic sign of a battered woman who fears further abuse and changes stories to take the heat off of the person who committed the abuse by refuting their own story.

            A potentially risky path for the franchise, even if he is exonerated. Hopefully Lance ends up being worth the potential hit the franchise will take yet again if he ends up being convicted IMO.

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            • #7
              Re: Kellogg faces early challenges - Looks like Lance will be here.

              Originally posted by Brad8888 View Post
              Good luck to Clark Kellogg who I believe to be a great human being. He will need all the help and luck he can get to both do the new job he has been hired for effectively as well as continuing his career in broadcasting.

              So, confirmation of what was shown from the lockerroom tour pictures with Stephenson being a part of the franchise? The next question is, I suppose, how will the team handle the tightrope it will walk from a public perception standpoint? Many who have actually followed his story have basically tried and convicted him already, and even if it comes out (which I haven't seen yet) that his girlfriend somehow fabricated the entire story, how many will believe the new story vs. how many will think that she is backing off and changing her story either out of simply wanting to maximize what she and their child end up with in the long term by not wanting to damage Lance's possible NBA career or that she is actually expressing a classic sign of a battered woman who fears further abuse and changes stories to take the heat off of the person who committed the abuse by refuting their own story.

              A potentially risky path for the franchise, even if he is exonerated. Hopefully Lance ends up being worth the potential hit the franchise will take yet again if he ends up being convicted IMO.
              I think that the Pacers required the consueling and that they have told Lance "This is how it will go and if you deviate , even one bit, from this plan, we will cut you immediately and try and recoup some of the money we gave you"
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              • #8
                Re: Kellogg faces early challenges - Looks like Lance will be here.

                I am really thrilled to have such a high character man of faith like Clark mentoring our young guys.

                This is an incredibly wise move on the Pacers part, and I feel it will have big rewards both on and off the court for our young guys.

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                • #9
                  Re: Kellogg faces early challenges - Looks like Lance will be here.

                  Clark can handle this position very well.

                  Seems like it's all gumdrops and lollipops lately, even the Rush and Stephenson events blew over pretty quickly. Strange, but fun times.


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                  • #10
                    Re: Kellogg faces early challenges - Looks like Lance will be here.

                    Good. I didn't agree with what Lance got involved in at all, but inside I was hoping things would work out and he'd end up on the team. He's a hell of a talent and with continued mentoring, I think he can really help the Pacers.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Kellogg faces early challenges - Looks like Lance will be here.

                      He's not going to be here if he goes to jail.

                      If he doesn't got to jail, then I'd hope that means he's innocent, which means he has every right to be here.

                      If he's found guilty, but for whatever reason isn't sentenced to jail time, I'm going to have a hard time stomaching this franchise and the legal system. (Hello Chris Brown..)
                      Last edited by Sookie; 09-16-2010, 01:05 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Kellogg faces early challenges - Looks like Lance will be here.

                        I think that one thing that TPTB think is Lance can be a really really good player. I don't think they'd go to such lengths, if there wasn't a huge potential payoff.

                        At the end of the day it's still a business.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Kellogg faces early challenges - Looks like Lance will be here.

                          I don't know what the truth is in Lance's situation, but I do know that the team is handling it a million times better than they handled Artest's issues. He wasn't in legal trouble, but everyone knew he had a problem with his temper and general sanity. Five years ago, everything was swept under the rug and if anything leaked out, there would be a little article saying that Bird "really likes Ronnie," and everything was fine again. Now, with these two situations, it seems to me like they're being more upfront, and they've already got Lance in counseling and they aren't making any excuses or special exceptions for him.

                          Also, I'm glad Clark has this position. He's a good guy and you know he's going to tell it like it is to these guys.

                          --pizza
                          It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Kellogg faces early challenges - Looks like Lance will be here.

                            Originally posted by Speed View Post
                            I think that one thing that TPTB think is Lance can be a really really good player. I don't think they'd go to such lengths, if there wasn't a huge potential payoff.

                            At the end of the day it's still a business.
                            We also have a little bit of money tied into him.

                            In that sense, cutting him before a verdict is just waisting money.

                            BTW: Apparently (I did not know this) she can't drop the charges. Once the charge was made, she is now considered a witness by the state.

                            I'm also unsure about the required counseling, but seeing as how it immiedatly was followed by "going well, he's now able to rejoin the team." That sounds like it was a "team required" thing.
                            Last edited by Sookie; 09-16-2010, 02:02 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Kellogg faces early challenges - Looks like Lance will be here.

                              I don't think there is any news on Lance here. His court date is mid October, so nothing was going to happen prior to then. I seriously doubt the Pacers "know something"

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