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  • 90'sNBARocked
    LovingTeamDipo!
    • Nov 2009
    • 10032

    Granger to Toronto?

    The Jose Calderon to Indiana trade rumours don't make much sense, unless you consider Danny Granger.



    It’s hard to pinpoint where it’s coming from, but there has been considerable speculation about a trade which would send Jose Calderon trade to the Pacers. Michael Grange had reported this on July 14th and at that time Roy Hibbert was Colangelo’s apparent target. Recently Hoopsworld reported further interest in a trade so I’ll go ahead and believe for a second that where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

    Whether Calderon is a better fit than Jack doesn’t matter very much at this point. Jack’s lower salary, better perceived defense, durability and ability to switch over to play the two in spots, puts him ahead of Calderon in the depth chart. His appearance at summer league had to have gone well with the club and his recent 7 pound weight drop and fitness routine has also got to be respected by the franchise.

    What would we want in a Jose Calderon trade? I’d be willing to take a defensive center, a small-forward or another point guard. Since the Pacers are looking to cut costs and taking on Calderon goes completely against their current thinking, you would have to believe that any deal would see the Raptors taking on more salary, thus using their TPE. So you can throw out individual trades like Calderon for Dunleavy out the window, especially since the latter is an expiring contract valued at $10.5M. Same goes for Troy Murphy, who is expiring at $12M. The Pacers have a lot of faith in A.J Price, but he’s not ready to start just yet, and it is conceivable that they’d want him to be Calderon’s understudy of sorts for a season or two, but that alone isn’t worth it for them.

    If the Pacers are looking to cut costs, the only way a Calderon deal makes sense is if they’re willing to trade Danny Granger, one of only two pacers (Dahntay Jones) to have a guaranteed contract beyond 2011-12. Whereas Calderon is owed $29.2M through 2012-13, Granger is owed $49.9M through 2013-14. Granger has missed 35 games over the last two season and Calderon has missed 28; it’s safe to say both have had trouble staying on the floor, but you can actually make a case that Calderon is the more valuable player. In Granger’s five season in Indiana, the team has made the playoffs once, losing in the first round. The win totals in those five seasons are also disappointing: 41, 35, 36, 36 and 32.

    With the NBA lockout looming, teams would be reluctant to take on a contract like him; even if you leave that aside, it’s difficult to sell him as a player because he’s shown very little other than being a good player on a bad team. At this point in his career, you can argue that he’s either reached his ceiling or is very close to it and no team would take him on expecting him to improve on what he’s already shown. That’s close to $50M for an injury-prone player who hoists seven more shots than anybody on his team while the team racks up mid-30s win totals. If the Pacers are to truly rebuild, can they afford to have a player like him on the roster? They can’t, but it makes sense for the Colangelo-led Raptors.

    If Colangelo is aiming for a quick fix or a way to revitalize interest in Raptors basketball, all he has to do is acquire Granger and the fans will love him. We already have fond memories of Granger because we passed on him twice, once in favor of Joey Graham, so getting him now would be like the prodigal son returning home. Colangelo could sell him as part of the “Young Gunz” package and tomorrow we’d be talking about making a run at the fourth seed. Talking that is, not actually doing it. Throw in Roy Hibbert, a young center with that dreaded word ‘potential’, and you could even say the Raptors won the deal and used their TPE most wisely. Colangelo would make a big splash in the summer market just like he has in the last two. The Raptors would have a starting five of: Bargnani, Johnson, Granger, DeRozan and Jack; backing them up would be Hibbert, Davis, Weems, Belinelli and Barbosa. On paper, that reads like a solid core which you can sell some season tickets on.

    With seven expiring contracts the Pacers are in rebuild mode, and the final piece of the puzzle for them could be shipping off Danny Granger so that they can lose 60 games, get a high pick and go from there. From their perspective, they just shed $20M in salary which is a lot in today’s economic climate, even if it happens to be over four years. Calderon’s overpaid, but his contract could be considered reasonable by a team who’s looking to get some stability and become more conservative in the back-court, especially in a year or two, so it is possible that the Pacers could parlay him into something else down the road. There’s a good chance that as Granger goes older, he’s going to become more injury prone. It’s a trade-off the Pacers could be willing to make, and more importantly, so could Colangelo.
    This guy is freakin Delusional!!

    Granger AND Hibbert for Calderon? STFU
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  • Sookie
    Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 8493

    #2
    Re: Granger to Toronto?

    HAAAA...

    Honestly, I wouldn't give them TJ for Calderon.

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    • vnzla81
      Member
      • Jul 2008
      • 68006

      #3
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      Last edited by vnzla81; 08-09-2010, 01:25 PM.
      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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      • Psyren
        Batman's New Side Kick
        • Aug 2008
        • 2604

        #4
        Re: Granger to Toronto?

        Granger for Calderon?

        Joke of the year candidate?

        Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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        • count55
          100 Miles from the B
          • Jun 2007
          • 5772

          #5
          Re: Granger to Toronto?

          This is basically the Canadian Bleacher Report. A few Raps fans, including one of the mods, have wandered over to RealGM's Pacer forum to let everyone know that they think it's pretty silly, too.

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          • Day-V
            Shooting for the Moon
            • Mar 2010
            • 4307

            #6
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            • Mourning
              All is full of Orange!
              • Jan 2004
              • 9968

              #7
              Re: Granger to Toronto?

              Originally posted by count55
              This is basically the Canadian Bleacher Report. A few Raps fans, including one of the mods, have wandered over to RealGM's Pacer forum to let everyone know that they think it's pretty silly, too.
              And rightfully so, this must be the most retarded trade proposal, where the Pacers are involved, that I have seen in years.
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              • vnzla81
                Member
                • Jul 2008
                • 68006

                #8
                Re: Granger to Toronto?




                so should administration close this now?
                Last edited by vnzla81; 08-09-2010, 01:31 PM.
                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                • odeez
                  Member
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 3776

                  #9
                  Re: Granger to Toronto?

                  Yeah, this guy is way, way, way, off with this piece. It doesn't make any sense at all!
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                  • Pacersalltheway10
                    B U T L E R..U a Bulldog!
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 3716

                    #10
                    Re: Granger to Toronto?

                    then there are raptors fan in the comments saying how Calderon is better than Granger.

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                    • Unclebuck
                      Administrator
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 36227

                      #11
                      Re: Granger to Toronto?

                      OK, fair enough. But then I want the Pacers to trade TJ for For Chris Paul and Roy Hibbert for Dwight Howard.
                      Last edited by Unclebuck; 08-09-2010, 02:15 PM.

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                      • 90'sNBARocked
                        LovingTeamDipo!
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 10032

                        #12
                        Re: Granger to Toronto?

                        I thought it was pretty silly as well. The funny thing is how so many Raptor fans think we should just give DG away because of our desperate need for a PG

                        I wouldnt touch Calderon with a ten foot pole
                        horrible on defense
                        10 plus million a year for 3 more years
                        often injured

                        yes he can pass and shoot, but I again would rather stand pat, then make a move like this
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                        • Tom White
                          Member
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 5706

                          #13
                          Re: Granger to Toronto?

                          Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked
                          http://raptorsrepublic.com/2010/08/0...r-makes-sense/




                          This guy is freakin Delusional!!

                          Granger AND Hibbert for Calderon? STFU
                          Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked
                          I thought it was pretty silly as well.
                          So then why post it?

                          In particular, why post it with the title you used?

                          Maybe change the title to "Hey guys, want to read what some moron wrote?".

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                          • Sookie
                            Member
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 8493

                            #14
                            Re: Granger to Toronto?

                            Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked
                            I thought it was pretty silly as well. The funny thing is how so many Raptor fans think we should just give DG away because of our desperate need for a PG

                            I wouldnt touch Calderon with a ten foot pole
                            horrible on defense
                            10 plus million a year for 3 more years
                            often injured

                            yes he can pass and shoot, but I again would rather stand pat, then make a move like this
                            I said it before..but why on earth would we want to pay 10 plus million a year for three years..when we have a guy on the roster that severly out played him when they played each other..who costs about 800,000 this year.

                            Now, I know that doing a player comparison isn't completely fair. But if we're going to pay that kind of money for a player, make sure it's an actual upgrade.

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                            • 90'sNBARocked
                              LovingTeamDipo!
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 10032

                              #15
                              Re: Granger to Toronto?

                              Originally posted by Tom White
                              So then why post it?

                              In particular, why post it with the title you used?

                              Maybe change the title to "Hey guys, want to read what some moron wrote?".
                              ok
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