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Which rookie are you most excited about?

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  • #16
    Re: Which rookie are you most excited about?

    Originally posted by pacers74 View Post
    I hope you are right.
    Hard not to be pumped after the Kentucky games. Now there's a summer league to get excited about.

    :goboilers:
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    • #17
      Re: Which rookie are you most excited about?

      Originally posted by Ozwalt72 View Post
      Well, George is raw, and I expect there to be times out on the floor that he looks simply phenominal and others where he gets just destroyed. His athleticism is high quality NBA now. His wingspan is slightly above average for his height, but he seems to use his length well (Thats what she said). A quarter inch taller than Granger, 2.25 inches less with wingspan, but an astonishing 4 inches on Granger in the standing reach. Basically, this dude would be 6'11" if he had a normal neck!


      That's a good, but funny observation.

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      • #18
        Re: Which rookie are you most excited about?

        Wow 78% for Lance...

        I really really hope people are being realistic with their expectations here. He's not going to look like an all star next season. And I hope no one is expecting him too.

        Because sometimes when people don't live up to immediate expectations, they get thrown under the bus..that's not quite fair to do to Lance.

        IMO, I think he'll be a very good scorer in this league. If he developes a 3 point shot, he'll be an starting wing. And maybe some year he can develope into a combo guard. But jeez..I hope no one is expecting John Wall.

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        • #19
          Re: Which rookie are you most excited about?

          Originally posted by Sookie View Post
          Wow 78% for Lance...

          I really really hope people are being realistic with their expectations here. He's not going to look like an all star next season. And I hope no one is expecting him too.

          Because sometimes when people don't live up to immediate expectations, they get thrown under the bus..that's not quite fair to do to Lance.

          IMO, I think he'll be a very good scorer in this league. If he developes a 3 point shot, he'll be an starting wing. And maybe some year he can develope into a combo guard. But jeez..I hope no one is expecting John Wall.
          Well look at who we are comparing him to here. Paul George and Magnum Rolle. I think even his most die-hard supporters will admit that George is a little bit of a project, and Rolle is a four year, late second round pick. Not a high ceiling, not a whole lot to get excited about. Lance played well in Summer League, so out of these three, it's not surprising that he's running away with this poll.

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          • #20
            Re: Which rookie are you most excited about?

            Originally posted by cdash View Post
            Well look at who we are comparing him to here. Paul George and Magnum Rolle. I think even his most die-hard supporters will admit that George is a little bit of a project, and Rolle is a four year, late second round pick. Not a high ceiling, not a whole lot to get excited about. Lance played well in Summer League, so out of these three, it's not surprising that he's running away with this poll.
            Wow..I completely missed the "this upcoming season"

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            • #21
              Re: Which rookie are you most excited about?

              I fear so many of you have too high expectations for Lance.

              He's still a second round pick, trying to play a position he didn't play in college. if he gets any consistant playing time we should all be thrilled. Actually if a second round pick makes the roster at all it is an excellent draft pick

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              • #22
                Re: Which rookie are you most excited about?

                Has to be Paul hands down, although I like Lance I think he will struggle a lot more than people suspect this year, I think Paul really has the abilities and attributes to Shine in this league....I wouldn't be surprised if he takes over the SG position before the year is over....

                Sidenote, more than any rookie I am interested in seeing how Big Roy does this year... this could be his year to really take off....crossing my fingers...
                Why so SERIOUS

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                • #23
                  Re: Which rookie are you most excited about?

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                  I fear so many of you have too high expectations for Lance.
                  You're right to tamp down expectations, but let's face it, you're Alan Greenspan, warning about "irrational exuberance" - good luck with that.

                  Seriously, though - the body is very impressive (balance, strength, footwork way ahead of schedule), and the skills are, too (court sense, handles, variety of scoring repertoire). In short, he's ready to play the man's game; and he happens to have gotten on a team that needs what he brings in the worst way. He's the perfect complement to Danny Granger.

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                  He's still a second round pick, trying to play a position he didn't play in college.
                  Good point, or rather, great point, because this is the critical question. If you play him as a starting stereotypical PG, how is he going to guard Rajon Rondo? Let's say that he can't, or rather that he screws up your team defense too much trying it - BUT you love everything else he does; what then? I think that this is the most plausible scenario, and not just in year one.

                  If he can't keep the darts in front of him on D (or they keep taking his lunch money on the other end), you've still got a couple of attractive options. Option One is to bring him off the bench as a third guard (whatever else, we'll probably see a lot of that in year one); Option Two is that you play him as the primary ball-handler, platooned with a smaller player to guard the Rondos on the other end; and Option Three is that you combine the first two options.

                  Option Two is especially interesting because the Pacers have a promising player in A.J. Price who can play that role to a T: already defends at a high level, and can spot up at the arc to spread the floor. Price's point guard deficiencies are made up for by Lance's strengths.

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                  if he gets any consistant playing time we should all be thrilled.
                  In that case, I predict that we will all be thrilled. He's the perfect player for the Pacers' offense, and his body is already NBA-ready.

                  Now that I've painted such a rosy scenario, I'm going to tamp down expectations as you have done: let's not sugar-coat it, he's going to get his shot blocked and get offensive fouls called a-plenty, and we'll cringe when he gets upset, because it doesn't look good on such an uptight guy (maybe he'll get a little more cheerful as he begins to prove himself, but you don't want him losing that edge, or the NBA-proverbial "chip on his shoulder").

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                  Actually if a second round pick makes the roster at all it is an excellent draft pick
                  You say sooth, uncle. Note also A.J. Price - given good health, he could have a breakout year; the coaches seemed to prefer AJ over TJ toward the end of the season, and he gave them reason to get him on the floor.

                  It takes time to build a contending team if you rely so heavily on the draft, as the Pacers are so far doing. But they have been getting two or three players a year for three years in the draft that are likely to have long pro careers - that's a meteoric rate (thanks, Larry Legend); the coaching staff has given them valuable court time and developed crucial parts of their games; and the players have taken advantage.

                  Hibbert, Rush, Tyler, AJ - all got rotation minutes in their rookie years. The staff has had to put up with all the growing pains of giving rookies significant minutes, and it has indeed been painful; but that was predictable. Hibbert had a breakout year in his second season, and was rewarded with sixth man minutes; Rush progressed, especially as a defender (not as fast as some would like, but I think that the coaches were right to stick with him), and was given starter's minutes.

                  Despite the injuries and the personnel losses, the team played substantially better team defense than the year before. As the guard changes in 2011 (I'm in denial about the lockout), the roster will be younger, more athletic, and will play some outstanding defense. I don't exclude Lance Stephenson from that - he'll be an excellent, physical team defender.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Which rookie are you most excited about?

                    Paul George, 1st and foremost.

                    Even tho he's not a rookie, I want to see how well Hans will play, if he can play at all.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Which rookie are you most excited about?

                      Speaking of side notes, how 'bout Sacramento's DeMarcus Cousins? He's behaved himself so far and looked to be the real deal in summer league. If they can get some productivity out of Dalembert, and if Hassan Whiteside sees the light of day, and given 6'5" Tyreke Evans in the backcourt, the Kings could become a shot-blocking juggernaut.


                      "He’s no shrinking violet when it comes to that kind of stuff."

                      - Rick Carlisle on how Kevin Pritchard responds to needed roster changes.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Which rookie are you most excited about?

                        Originally posted by DrFife View Post
                        Speaking of side notes, how 'bout Sacramento's DeMarcus Cousins? He's behaved himself so far and looked to be the real deal in summer league. If they can get some productivity out of Dalembert, and if Hassan Whiteside sees the light of day, and given 6'5" Tyreke Evans in the backcourt, the Kings could become a shot-blocking juggernaut.
                        If Cousins keeps his nose clean, I think he could have a better year than Wall and win ROY.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Which rookie are you most excited about?

                          I'm worried about the expectations put on Lance and Paul for the same reason as Sookie. People on here were calling George a starter before seeing him play for the first time.

                          I think Stephenson is ready, even as a 19 year old rookie (a rare, rare exception to most underclassman rookies). My concerns with Lance are solely related to conditioning and his attitude.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Which rookie are you most excited about?

                            I'm most excited to watch Lance, because I'd like to watch him with my own eyes against normal NBA-caliber competition.

                            Either the hype machine will be proven right (which does happen, occasionally) or we'll all move along to the next great hope to fill our huge void at PG.
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                            • #29
                              Re: Which rookie are you most excited about?

                              Just because you (I) am the most excited for Lance, doesn't mean we have high expectations. That's how I'm taking it atleast.

                              If Lance works out at PG, then the Pacers just filled a much needed void. I'm not really expecting anything out of him. I'm excited/anxious to see what happens.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Which rookie are you most excited about?

                                Originally posted by Speed View Post
                                If Cousins keeps his nose clean, I think he could have a better year than Wall and win ROY.
                                I think that it won't even be a contest for ROY this year... I think Cousins has it in the bag...
                                Why so SERIOUS

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